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I think most people can imagine a future with A.I. and most boys would sure understand. I play games now using horses, and using big cats to help me hunt. Although I know they are just colors and wiring, I actually love my animals and take time to pet them when their is no benifit.
I have a relationship with these and they aren't A.I. and dont talk, and yet I just love them even when I know its stupid.
In a hundred years from now maybe they will have people marrying A.I.s, I could see it happening.
Would it be wrong, immoral?
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I think most people can imagine a future with A.I. and most boys would sure understand. I play games now using horses, and using big cats to help me hunt. Although I know they are just colors and wiring, I actually love my animals and take time to pet them when their is no benifit.
I have a relationship with these and they aren't A.I. and dont talk, and yet I just love them even when I know its stupid.
In a hundred years from now maybe they will have people marrying A.I.s, I could see it happening.
Would it be wrong, immoral?
I haven't thought much about it as the real moral questions in the world seem more pressing at the moment than something that might be possible down the road ... and that I am too old to contemplate doing anyway. However, I read an article the other day on the "epidemic of loneliness" and it mentioned two AI-for-hire sites that are a crude form of the sort of romantic AI partner you are talking about. One site, Replika, provides an AI chatbot fitted with what I'd describe as a high-quality cartoonish avatar. It is not explicitly for romance or intimacy but could best be described as a "hired friend". The other, Eva, just dispenses with the tap dance and provides photorealistic, airbrushed, Madison Avenue avatars (pointedly, all the examples shown were female) who, the site claims, "always honor your desires" which is a pretentious way of saying, "has no desires of its own, at least that you don't want it to have".
As I read all this, I kept hearing the song "Imaginary Lovers" playing in my head.
The problem I see with all of this is that it furthers the notion of treating other people as obligated to cater to your whims with no regard for their own ... as such, it just furthers unrealistic expectations in real relationships. Also you couldn't not know on some level that you're cheating ... you have just hired an actor to effortlessly bring your own projections and fantasies to life. I would imagine that eventually one could not function in a real relationship, so you wouldn't go this route unless you want to close that door. And then you would never be able to even have the hope of having the experience of loving someone for other than selfish reasons and having that love returned.
To me that is unutterably sad. (As an aside, I think it's also kind of dumb ... the privacy issues alone are hair-raising, despite the security disclaimers on the site).
Now ... if eventually robotics and AI progressed to the point where a robot was indistinguishable from a human, I suppose you could argue that it wouldn't matter, but then, the first lover's spat you'd have with an android they would probably just break your neck, lol.
I haven't thought much about it as the real moral questions in the world seem more pressing at the moment than something that might be possible down the road ... and that I am too old to contemplate doing anyway. However, I read an article the other day on the "epidemic of loneliness" and it mentioned two AI-for-hire sites that are a crude form of the sort of romantic AI partner you are talking about. One site, Replika, provides an AI chatbot fitted with what I'd describe as a high-quality cartoonish avatar. It is not explicitly for romance or intimacy but could best be described as a "hired friend". The other, Eva, just dispenses with the tap dance and provides photorealistic, airbrushed, Madison Avenue avatars (pointedly, all the examples shown were female) who, the site claims, "always honor your desires" which is a pretentious way of saying, "has no desires of its own, at least that you don't want it to have".
As I read all this, I kept hearing the song "Imaginary Lovers" playing in my head.
The problem I see with all of this is that it furthers the notion of treating other people as obligated to cater to your whims with no regard for their own ... as such, it just furthers unrealistic expectations in real relationships. Also you couldn't not know on some level that you're cheating ... you have just hired an actor to effortlessly bring your own projections and fantasies to life. I would imagine that eventually one could not function in a real relationship, so you wouldn't go this route unless you want to close that door. And then you would never be able to even have the hope of having the experience of loving someone for other than selfish reasons and having that love returned.
To me that is unutterably sad. (As an aside, I think it's also kind of dumb ... the privacy issues alone are hair-raising, despite the security disclaimers on the site).
Now ... if eventually robotics and AI progressed to the point where a robot was indistinguishable from a human, I suppose you could argue that it wouldn't matter, but then, the first lover's spat you'd have with an android they would probably just break your neck, lol.
Wow great post.
If I could find a program that would be able to hold a conversation and interact with words I would jump on it. Not like lovertalk but like another person was there. If Alexa was just better programmed I could stop talking to this volleyball.
An infertile marriage is an absurdity, since the major reason for marriage is to pass property to the next generation.
But thanks to national socialism, such concepts have long been forgotten.
Remember, only a legitimate child can inherit from his father. Even under the old common law, the rights of the survivor were predicated on there being lawful issue from the marriage. No children - no right to the deceased spouse's property. That goes back to the family of the deceased.
But thanks to the glorious collective, no one has absolute ownership of anything to pass to the next generation.
An infertile marriage is an absurdity, since the major reason for marriage is to pass property to the next generation.
But thanks to national socialism, such concepts have long been forgotten.
Remember, only a legitimate child can inherit from his father. Even under the old common law, the rights of the survivor were predicated on there being lawful issue from the marriage. No children - no right to the deceased spouse's property. That goes back to the family of the deceased.
But thanks to the glorious collective, no one has absolute ownership of anything to pass to the next generation.
There was a documentary several years ago about a guy who had several "real dolls" I think they are called. Full sized attractive females. He would prop them up at the dinner table and eat with them. Well he was the only one eating. They were not AI but the guy was clearly enamored with them and talked to them like they were real. There was a futuristic movie a few years back where a guy fell in love with his voice activated phone.
This will be an issue not too far in our future. Combine a good looking woman with AI intelligence and certainly guys will try to marry them. And visa versa. Women with their version of male AI. Is it any different really than someone who marries a convict who is never getting out of prison? You are married to someone who all you can do is talk to. Same with AI or an AI doll. Although with "real dolls" you can consummate the relationship. That puts them ahead of a prison romance.
This will be the next frontier after gay marriage. Not sure if its even a left right thing. AI cannot vote so there are no constituents to protect or get votes from.
For me there are a lot of lonely people out there. Myself now 60 and single at the moment. There are a lot of lonely yet afraid of taking the plunge people out there in my age group. If you are single at my age something went badly at least once. Or your spouse passed away. Regardless I could see people in this age group ended up in an android romance. Although I don't see the point of marriage. What is it going to do with whatever assets you will to it?
There was a documentary several years ago about a guy who had several "real dolls" I think they are called. Full sized attractive females. He would prop them up at the dinner table and eat with them. Well he was the only one eating. They were not AI but the guy was clearly enamored with them and talked to them like they were real. There was a futuristic movie a few years back where a guy fell in love with his voice activated phone.
This will be an issue not too far in our future. Combine a good looking woman with AI intelligence and certainly guys will try to marry them. And visa versa. Women with their version of male AI. Is it any different really than someone who marries a convict who is never getting out of prison? You are married to someone who all you can do is talk to. Same with AI or an AI doll. Although with "real dolls" you can consummate the relationship. That puts them ahead of a prison romance.
This will be the next frontier after gay marriage. Not sure if its even a left right thing. AI cannot vote so there are no constituents to protect or get votes from.
For me there are a lot of lonely people out there. Myself now 60 and single at the moment. There are a lot of lonely yet afraid of taking the plunge people out there in my age group. If you are single at my age something went badly at least once. Or your spouse passed away. Regardless I could see people in this age group ended up in an android romance. Although I don't see the point of marriage. What is it going to do with whatever assets you will to it?
You just referred to the android as "it' meaning "it' is property, not human. You can't will your assets to property, but you could will your property (i.e., the android) to someone else. It might not like it (assuming AI has advanced to the level of emotions), but since it's not human it wouldn't have a choice.
nship with these and they aren't A.I. and dont talk, and yet I just love them even when I know its stupid.
In a hundred years from now maybe they will have people marrying A.I.s, I could see it happening.
Would it be wrong, immoral?
If you marry an Android, how can you be one flesh with this in God's sight? The Android is not a human being. God bless
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