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Old 05-08-2024, 11:55 AM
 
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The above reminds me of 2nd Thessalonians 1:9 and 2nd Peter 3:7 B the eternal punishment of being destroyed forever
ALL the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7; 104:35; 145:20; Proverbs 2:21-22
No one is ALL wicked or ALL good. We are a mix. The wicked in us will be destroyed (or changed?), but WE will not be. In any case, i suspect it will not be pleasant.
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Old 05-08-2024, 12:36 PM
 
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No one is ALL wicked or ALL good. We are a mix. The wicked in us will be destroyed (or changed?), but WE will not be. In any case, i suspect it will not be pleasant.
Reminds me of what my old Pastor use to do with the congregation. He'd say: Ok, everyone who has ever neglected the poor, you go on the left side, and you who have ever served the poor, go on the right side...ready? GO!.....come on! You're still all in the center! Get moving!... Obviously he was making the point that we all have Sheep and Goat in us... Of course that sheep and goat Matthew 25 passage is more likely about entire nations but its still a good metaphor for human nature.
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Old 05-08-2024, 04:38 PM
 
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Reminds me of what my old Pastor use to do with the congregation. He'd say: Ok, everyone who has ever neglected the poor, you go on the left side, and you who have ever served the poor, go on the right side...ready? GO!.....come on! You're still all in the center! Get moving!... Obviously he was making the point that we all have Sheep and Goat in us... Of course that sheep and goat Matthew 25 passage is more likely about entire nations but its still a good metaphor for human nature.
..... or each individual sheep or goat at Jesus coming Glory Time of separation - Matthew 25:31-34,37,46; 2nd Peter 2:9
Only the sheep will be here starting with calendar Day One of Jesus' Millennium-Long Day governing over Earth for a thousand years - 1st Corinthians 15:24-26

As far as the 'resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous' (KJV just and unjust) - Acts 24:15 - the resurrected righteous like the living sheep will have to remain righteous and the unrighteous will have to decide to become righteous and remain righteous.
So, after the end of the thousand years all who prove righteous will gain 'everlasting life on Earth' as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.

P.S. Those called to be 'saints/holy ones'(Dan.7:18) have a first or earlier resurrection, Not on Earth, but to Heaven - Rev.20:6
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Old 05-08-2024, 04:45 PM
 
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No one is ALL wicked or ALL good. We are a mix. The wicked in us will be destroyed (or changed?), but WE will not be. In any case, i suspect it will not be pleasant.
I find there is a difference between being wicked and being righteous or un-righteous.
The wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalm 92:7; Psalm 104:35; Psalm 145:20; Proverbs 2:21-22
Even wicked sinner Satan ends up in 'second death ' - Rev. 21:8
Resurrection is for the 'righteous and unrighteous' ( KJV just and unjust ) - Acts 24:15
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Old 05-09-2024, 08:40 AM
 
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I don't share the conventional view that God's decision to allow himself to be crucified was of a transactional nature.

It was meant to get our attention.

Jesus wants nothing of us, but to love our neighbor as He loved us. And the cross is an example no one is soon to forget.
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Old 05-09-2024, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I don't share the conventional view that God's decision to allow himself to be crucified was of a transactional nature.

It was meant to get our attention.

Jesus wants nothing of us, but to love our neighbor as He loved us. And the cross is an example no one is soon to forget.
Good post.
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Old 05-09-2024, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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Wasn't Jesus sentenced to death by virtue of blasphemy and 'treason' ...even if having been falsely accused of these things? Is it 'we' who have been taught and believed since day one that 'Jesus died for our sins' while blindly ignoring the 'official' reasons for Jesus' crucifixion?
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Old 05-10-2024, 05:53 AM
 
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we need not only to know these things, but also to observe them, it is to keep our souls pure and observe the ten commandments and avoid sin...
Whoever does this cannot go to the same place as those whose daily agenda is theft, drugs, violence, the pursuit of consumerism and so on.
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Old 05-10-2024, 05:59 AM
 
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Old 05-10-2024, 06:39 AM
 
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God has determined the eternal destiny of each of us before the foundation. There are some whom He determined for Eternal life, theyre names were written in the Book of Life of the Lamb Rev 21 27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

And likewise He has predetermined who will not see life, omitting them from the Book of Life Rev 20 15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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