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I think you might have misunderstood what I meant by limbo. We are in the anxious, unknowing short span of time between what is finished and the imminent return of Jesus. The 6,000 years are over, the rapture should have already happened around 2000 if it weren't for the fact that we don't really know what year it really is because of the discrepancy in the calendar years. But there's only a few years discrepancy, and we are "in limbo" as far as time. The span of time between the finish and the rapture. That's why I feel it could be any day.
Your reasoning with salvation always puzzles me. It seems like reverse thinking of what the scriptures say and fruitless to dwell on the walk of people. Salvation MUST come first, or everything else is dead anyway. We are not to dwell on whether or not someone is walking the walk....that's up to the person and for God to know. We are to stress the importance of salvation through Jesus Christ. If the heart is sincere, then the walk will follow. We can't make them drink, but we CAN lead them to the Living Water, which is Christ.
Yes, it is difficult for me to explain the nuance of salvation doctrine, as it has been taught. The pulpit has found comfort in teaching salvation brings equality. In that if you are saved, you will inherit the kingdom of God and see Jesus.
When in fact Jesus taught that you only see Him, if you keep His commandments. And warned that many will say lord, lord...and He will say be gone from me, ye that worketh Iniquity (lack of inner quiet) which is the manifestation of sin. So unless we have done all, and lived according to His teachings, then are we truly sincere, and do we truly take His yoke upon us. Do we know His unspeakable name.
No doubt that believers are saved, but there are the least and greatest in the kingdom, and the least have no ability to approach the throne of God, let alone sit in His throne. As well the least are not caught up, they inherit the woes of the end days.
So i caution a be saved and be raptured doctrine, because it's not all that is required in order to be caught up. Belief is being and living the principles and doctrines and even growing beyond, into the mysteries reserved for those that love Him. And loving HIm is keeping His commandments. As stated in 1John.
DOTL---- I recall back around 1980,while attending an Assemblies of GOD Church, the minister mentioned in the sermon the very subject of your topic and agreed with what you are writing. He too believed in the 6,000 years with the last 2,000 years being the time of the church before the return of CHRIST and the 7th 1,000 yrs being "the millineal reign."
Really? I attended Assembly of God churches and I don't remember hearing this, but then again back then I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention. Actually, I don't remember caring at all about what was being said. I was busy snoozing. (Sorry, Lord)
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I think I need to research the concept of the 6,000 years. That is to say, I am in need of further study on the subject. When exploring a doctrine, I do lots of research and pray a lot about it and have to have the proof of revelation from the LORD.
Absolutely. I need to do the same on what happens during the Millenial reign and other Biblical prophesies. Lots of work still to be done.
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Recently I've become convinced that the Revelation contains scripture referring to 2,000 years of church time in the current world. Precisely which year that time began is unclear to me, so I can't really say what year our LORD will return.
I'm not sure what you mean right here. Simple living explained in one of his posts the breakdown of the 6,000 years. You can do a search on his posts and find it. The 6,000 years are over....all we have left IMO is the rapture(due at any time) and the 7 year tribulation. Then all things are ended and the 1,000 year reign of Christ begins. Thus equaling a total of 7,000 years in relation to the 7 day creation; or the Millenial-Day theory.
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If you notice, you will not find the term "millinial reign of CHRIST" any where in the bible
No.....millennial is a word we use. But the reign of Christ is very clearly referenced as being 1,000 years, as in the scriptures below.
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Here's how I basically explain the referrences to a 1,000 years in the Revelation.
1. John saw satan bound for a 1,000 years in the bottomless pit.
2.In the next scene, He saw other events (which I'm not going to list but are there for all to read). These events covered 1,000 years.
3. The beast gets it's power from the dragon. The beast martyrs the saints. If the devil is in the pit, the beast can't exist.
4. So we see a total of 2,000 years, not just a 1,000.
Right, it says Satan will be bound for 1,000 years (Rev.20) and I have to quote scripture for the rest.
Rev. 20: 1-6
"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain."
"He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years."
"He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time."
"I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saws the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
"(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years."
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Here's where everything about the 1,000 year reign becomes unclear to me. But I'll address that in the other thread. But to address what you said, Satan will be bound during the 1,000 years of the reign of Christ according to these scriptures. This does not mean 1,000 of Satan being bound and 1,000 years of Christ's reign amounts to 2,000 years. It all takes place during Christ's 1,000 year reign. That much is clear to me.
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Theres a lot more to this study, but is so involved. I believe the devil will be (or is already) released from the bottomless pit before the appearing of CHRIST, which is gonna be pretty soon.
All the best in your studies. I expect to still be studying when the LORD returns, if still in the world
I'm pretty satisfied with the study I've done so far. The only thing that I have questions about and haven't connected the dots with is what happens during the 1,000 reign. Will you please put your thoughts on that in the other thread I started? I know you have different ideas about it, but I still want to hear everyone's thoughts on it.
I too will be searching and studying right up to the second Christ returns.
Today I am sitting here at the computer and my little ones (4yr-old twins) are asking me, "Mommy why are you crying"? And I am replying to them, "Baby, these are tears of joy. Mommy is not sad." I am crying because I was reading through this entire thread and was overwhelmed with happiness for you guys that know the truth. Today was a day of happiness. Yes, I am sad at times for the unbelievers of truth and will fight tooth and nail to spread the Gospel of Jesus. But today is all about you saints.
Jesus is coming back just like He said He would. The time is of the essence. I went outside early this morning as I usually do to listen to God talk to me, and as I looked up into the sky, I heard Jesus say to me: Yes, these clouds. These same clouds. See, I was thinking about the scripture Matthew 24, 30-31 and being in awe that Jesus will be coming in this fashion; when I heard it. His voice. Saints, I thank God for you. Spread the word like never before. Our Father is on His way. Please, try and help one soul today. I love you all. We will meet face to face one day. God Speed!
Today I am sitting here at the computer and my little ones (4yr-old twins) are asking me, "Mommy why are you crying"? And I am replying to them, "Baby, these are tears of joy. Mommy is not sad." I am crying because I was reading through this entire thread and was overwhelmed with happiness for you guys that know the truth. Today was a day of happiness. Yes, I am sad at times for the unbelievers of truth and will fight tooth and nail to spread the Gospel of Jesus. But today is all about you saints.
Jesus is coming back just like He said He would. The time is of the essence. I went outside early this morning as I usually do to listen to God talk to me, and as I looked up into the sky, I heard Jesus say to me: Yes, these clouds. These same clouds. See, I was thinking about the scripture Matthew 24, 30-31 and being in awe that Jesus will be coming in this fashion; when I heard it. His voice. Saints, I thank God for you. Spread the word like never before. Our Father is on His way. Please, try and help one soul today. I love you all. We will meet face to face one day. God Speed!
Your sister in Christ Jesus
Amen, Betsey!! I was just thinking to myself while reading a magazine how completely awesome it is for us (our generation) to be the ones to see and experience the rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ. It's mind-blowing!! I still can't believe it! It's overwhelming and exciting all at the same time.
I'm so happy that you are as happy and excited as I am!! I want the whole world to experience the joy that we have right now.....that's why I seem so zealous and annoying to some, I suppose.
What a great time we are living in....as Christians we know there is no reason for despair or fear. It's funny you should mention clouds because that's just what I was reading about, and how the Lord will be returning in those very clouds. I thank God for the many Saints also, and feel blessed to have been able to be a part of this discussion board.
Today I am sitting here at the computer and my little ones (4yr-old twins) are asking me, "Mommy why are you crying"? And I am replying to them, "Baby, these are tears of joy. Mommy is not sad." I am crying because I was reading through this entire thread and was overwhelmed with happiness for you guys that know the truth. Today was a day of happiness. Yes, I am sad at times for the unbelievers of truth and will fight tooth and nail to spread the Gospel of Jesus. But today is all about you saints.
Jesus is coming back just like He said He would. The time is of the essence. I went outside early this morning as I usually do to listen to God talk to me, and as I looked up into the sky, I heard Jesus say to me: Yes, these clouds. These same clouds. See, I was thinking about the scripture Matthew 24, 30-31 and being in awe that Jesus will be coming in this fashion; when I heard it. His voice. Saints, I thank God for you. Spread the word like never before. Our Father is on His way. Please, try and help one soul today. I love you all. We will meet face to face one day. God Speed!
Your sister in Christ Jesus
I really do appreciate your love for the Lord and your zeal, Betsey Lane. I also once looked at the clouds expecting Jesus to burst forth from them.
But what saith the Scriptures?
What comes after Matthew 24:30-31, Betsey Lane? "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place." Jesus told His disciples right there with Him that THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as easily as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer. These are Jesus' own words, Betsey Lane, that you repeatedly claim to want to follow. Why will you not accept them at face value?
Based on Jesus' own words, it could not have been His "voice" you heard telling you that He was coming back to you in those clouds you saw.
I really do appreciate your love for the Lord and your zeal, Betsey Lane. I also once looked at the clouds expecting Jesus to burst forth from them.
But what saith the Scriptures?
What comes after Matthew 24:30-31, Betsey Lane? "THIS generation will by no means pass away till ALL these things take place." Jesus told His disciples right there with Him that THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as easily as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer. These are Jesus' own words, Betsey Lane, that you repeatedly claim to want to follow. Why will you not accept them at face value?
Based on Jesus' own words, it could not have been His "voice" you heard telling you that He was coming back to you in those clouds you saw.
In Christ, Preterist
Betsey doesn't accept it just like I don't because we are not Preterists and the preterist belief is not scriptural.
My interpretation of that scripture, as well as millions of others, is that "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place" means just that......this generation which has existed, and still does, since Jesus was in the world.
Since this generation is still here and and all things have not taken place, it is proof that Jesus Christ has not returned yet.
It's not for you to tell someone that they didn't hear the voice of Jesus.....are you God? How in the world can you say such a thing?
This thread is about the millennial-day theory. Obviously I subscribe to the truth of the word of God and Jesus' promise to return which has not happened, so why do you continue to hijack threads like this and bring them back from the dead simply to argue your point?
It's really gotten old, and it's really unChrist-like.
I want this thread to stay open, and I want it to be about the truth of God's Word.
But I have requested to have my threads closed in the past just for reasons like this, and I have no problem doing it again. It's unfortunate that a perfectly good thread has to be closed due to the fact that others cannot stand to hear the truth and turn it into something ugly and unGodly.
I apologize, Betsey, for taking over but I've really had enough of this. I loved your story and I love all of your posts and believe you to be a true woman of God. Keep on with your great posts!!!
Betsey doesn't accept it just like I don't because we are not Preterists and the preterist belief is not scriptural.
My interpretation of that scripture, as well as millions of others, is that "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place" means just that......this generation which has existed, and still does, since Jesus was in the world.
Since this generation is still here and and all things have not taken place, it is proof that Jesus Christ has not returned yet.
It's not for you to tell someone that they didn't hear the voice of Jesus.....are you God? How in the world can you say such a thing?
This thread is about the millennial-day theory. Obviously I subscribe to the truth of the word of God and Jesus' promise to return which has not happened, so why do you continue to hijack threads like this and bring them back from the dead simply to argue your point?
It's really gotten old, and it's really unChrist-like.
I want this thread to stay open, and I want it to be about the truth of God's Word.
But I have requested to have my threads closed in the past just for reasons like this, and I have no problem doing it again. It's unfortunate that a perfectly good thread has to be closed due to the fact that others cannot stand to hear the truth and turn it into something ugly and unGodly.
I apologize, Betsey, for taking over but I've really had enough of this. I loved your story and I love all of your posts and believe you to be a true woman of God. Keep on with your great posts!!!
Apologize? That's what we are suppose to do. Pick up the slack for each other. Don't ever stop fighting for truth. We know that Jesus is on His way regardless of what other's say. Put on the whole armor of Righteousness. It ain't over till it's over! You ain't seen nothing yet! Be encourage always.
"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First, and the Last."
Betsey doesn't accept it just like I don't because we are not Preterists and the preterist belief is not scriptural.
My interpretation of that scripture, as well as millions of others, is that "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place" means just that......this generation which has existed, and still does, since Jesus was in the world.
Since this generation is still here and and all things have not taken place, it is proof that Jesus Christ has not returned yet.
It's not for you to tell someone that they didn't hear the voice of Jesus.....are you God? How in the world can you say such a thing?
This thread is about the millennial-day theory. Obviously I subscribe to the truth of the word of God and Jesus' promise to return which has not happened, so why do you continue to hijack threads like this and bring them back from the dead simply to argue your point?
It's really gotten old, and it's really unChrist-like.
I want this thread to stay open, and I want it to be about the truth of God's Word.
But I have requested to have my threads closed in the past just for reasons like this, and I have no problem doing it again. It's unfortunate that a perfectly good thread has to be closed due to the fact that others cannot stand to hear the truth and turn it into something ugly and unGodly.
I apologize, Betsey, for taking over but I've really had enough of this. I loved your story and I love all of your posts and believe you to be a true woman of God. Keep on with your great posts!!!
DOTL: So, you're saying that only those who agree with you should post on your threads? You want it to be about the truth of God's Word, yet you abuse the truths of God's Word by misrepresenting the very words of Christ Himself! No, I will not remain silent while others put words into His mouth.
Let me say this again, since you refuse to do basic, fundamental Bible study (and the words of Scripture support my understanding and NOT yours). ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, Jesus used the phrase "this generation" (20 TIMES!) to refer to those contemporaneous to Himself. ALWAYS!!!! Do you not do cross-referencing?
It is a grave thing to misunderstand the words of Christ and then to turn around and teach our misunderstandings to others. That is why I will not be silent.
There can be no debate. All must agree with you or they are wrong. But what saith the Scriptures, DOTL? That has always been my approach and there are many here who will attest to that truth. Did not Jesus tell the flesh-and-blood Caiaphas "YOU will see the Son of Man . . . coming in His kingdom" (Mt. 26:64)? Is it you or I who is taking Jesus at His word here? Did not Jesus tell His disciples "There are some standing HERE who will taste of death till THEY see the Son of Man COMING in His kingdom" (Mt. 16:28)? What did Jesus clearly say, DOTL? Am I merely guilty of simply taking Jesus at His word? Is that my crime? Is it not at least REASONABLE for someone to take Jesus at His word and believe it? Did not Jesus tell His disciples "YOU will not have gone through all the cities of Israel BEFORE the Son of Man COMES" (Mt. 10:23)? Is that not what He clearly said? Where is the crime, DOTL, when someone takes Jesus at His Word?
Is not the crime committed by the one who refuses to accept His plain words? Jesus makes a clear statement, people believe it, and you point your finger at them as scream "heretic" or call into question their very salvation! Do you not find that somewhat absurd?
Was not John clearly shown those things which were to SHORTLY take place in his day? Wasn't he, DOTL? Where is the crime? Someone actually takes those words at face value! Did not John also say that the time was in his day NEAR? Didn't he, DOTL? Again, where is the crime when someone actually accepts such verses JUST AS THEY ARE WRITTEN?
Apologize? That's what we are suppose to do. Pick up the slack for each other. Don't ever stop fighting for truth. We know that Jesus is on His way regardless of what other's say. Put on the whole armor of Righteousness. It ain't over till it's over! You ain't seen nothing yet! Be encourage always.
"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
"I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First, and the Last."
Your sister in Christ Jesus
Again, those words of Jesus were spoken in the context of John's being shown those things which were SHORTLY to take place because the TIME was THEN near. In those time restraints, Jesus said, "I am coming QUICKLY (i.e. SOON).
Although, I had not heard this particular theory until recently, I am convinced this is quite accurate. Early theologians believed that Christ would return at the end of 6,000 years. That part I knew about. The following breakdown, in relation to the 7 day creation referenced in Genesis, is what I hadn't heard before.
1st day = 1,000 years
2nd day = 1,000 years
3rd day = 1,000 years
4th day = 1,000 years
5th day = 1,000 years
6th day = 1,000 years
7th day = 1,000 years = millennial reign of Christ
7 days = 7,000 years
This is the simplest way I could break this down without going into great detail. I receive a monthly magazine called "Prophecy in the News", and there is a 5 page article in the magazine written by J.R. Church that goes into great detail, with a continuance to be in the July issue.
The devil is taunting me today, by a scientologist in DM's. I was just told that I am ignorant after trying to tell them how to accept Christ and to be prepared. I feel more than ever that I should post this now because of this. I had been debating about starting a thread on this for days, and I think since the devil is trying so hard to discourage me that I'm going to try even harder for Christ.
In Revelation, the millennial reign of Christ is stated six times to be 1,000 years in length. That's got to be more than a coincidence, since from the creation of Adam to the Second Coming of Christ, God has determined six 1,000 year periods of human history.
This gives a whole new meaning to the references in the Bible that the Lord views a day as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day. This is just one more plausible reason to believe that Christ's return is imminent. The 6,000 years are over.......it's time for the 1,000 year reign of Christ, His "day" of rest for us. Come, Lord Jesus.
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