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You are perfect when you are able to learn from your mistakes (experience).
The perfection lies in being able to recognise your mistake. The problem is that most people don't even take the responsibility for their mistakes, therefore are unable to learn from their mistakes.
You are perfect when you are able to learn from your mistakes (experience).
The perfection lies in being able to recognise your mistake. The problem is that most people don't even take the responsibility for their mistakes, therefore are unable to learn from their mistakes.
That is certainly a quality that is necessary, we need the constant prayer to know right from wrong. Maybe that is what you mean by recognising.
we need the constant prayer to know right from wrong.
Only when you mean reflection with prayer instead of simply being given an answer (on a silver platter) by God.
The thing is that if everyone was able of reflection (learning of your mistakes) the church (or any other organised religion) eventually becomes obsolete.
Originally Posted by freedom Only when you mean reflection with prayer instead of simply being given an answer (on a silver platter) by God.
The thing is that if everyone was able of reflection (learning of your mistakes) the church (or any other organised religion) eventually becomes obsolete.
Either way, an answer is an answer, sometimes the answer comes in a flash of wisdom that i could no way take credit for, sometimes it comes through reasoning out my data base of previously pondered subjects. Wisdom is priceless.
Going direct to the source "God" certainly makes man's groups obsolete...for the individual, not necessarily for the whole, depending on the growth rings in the building.
Either way, an answer is an answer, sometimes the answer comes in a flash of wisdom that i could no way take credit for, sometimes it comes through reasoning out my data base of previously pondered subjects
So cheat sheets are okay in your book?
If so education (and life in general) becomes irrelevant.
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure. I John 3:2-3
I was gonna add some 'bolds' and some commentary, but to those really seeking the Truth on this, I just didn't think it was necessary. Feel free to point it out and discuss it though, I think that'd be awesome.
Do you think that the words "when he appears" is for the far off, or the end of the world?
Also, if we have this hope of seeing Jesus, we are called to purify ourselves, just as He is pure.
If Jesus is saying for us to do this, then it must be possible. Do you think it is possible, or are you focusing on another part of the verse?
Do you think that the words "when he appears" is for the far off, or the end of the world?
Also, if we have this hope of seeing Jesus, we are called to purify ourselves, just as He is pure.
If Jesus is saying for us to do this, then it must be possible. Do you think it is possible, or are you focusing on another part of the verse?
godspeed,
freedom
I believe 'when He appears' means when we see him....far off or end of world....either one or both.
And see, here's where I have concerns for you freedom because this is how you read the scriptures.
You read this:. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
And get this: Also, if we have this hope of seeing Jesus, we are called to purify ourselves, just as He is pure.
But when I read it I see that it is the hope that purifies us, not ourselves. We are pure because of our 'hope' or 'faith' in Jesus the Christ.
How can I say both?
Well, what is faith?
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:1
I think (emphasis) I know what you are trying to say, freedom. Or maybe I don't.
I am perfect.
But I am perfect only because of Christ. I am perfect because I have Christ in me and His goodness and blood covers my fleshly imperfections.
In other words, I am not perfect except Christ in me makes me so.
Is that what you're trying to say or has someone really convinced you that you can reach perfection on your own? That you can actually accomplish something good.
I believe 'when He appears' means when we see him....far off or end of world....either one or both.
I'll show you a mystery that has caused people to become preterists and think that they have received, when they truly have not.
Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
THe Testimony of Stephen is one example of this manifestation, proof if you will, and not only on the brink of death, but in life, even life everlasting.
Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
THis is a man that was righteous, and fulfilled his mission, he overcame sin, even to the point of laying His life down. No one that is in sin can behold the Father. Stephen did and they received Him.
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And see, here's where I have concerns for you freedom because this is how you read the scriptures.
You read this:. Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.
It is a directive for me, it is what calls us to live in honor of His sacrafice.
We are saved, Now what? Live His commandments, that is what the whole covenant is about, thee covenant is between God, Jesus and us. We have a responsibility if we desire to inherit all things, even all that the Father has, even the fulness that He desires us to have.
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And get this: Also, if we have this hope of seeing Jesus, we are called to purify ourselves, just as He is pure.
But when I read it I see that it is the hope that purifies us, not ourselves. We are pure because of our 'hope' or 'faith' in Jesus the Christ.
Re-read what you wrote; Our hope, our Faith. Jesus did enough for us, we must rise to His level and accept the fulness of His gift, otherwise we crucify Him afresh every single day.
Don't get distracted by what i am saying, in NO way could I or would I ever take away from Christ the Foundation He has laid, as well I don't wish to shirk my responsibility any longer in seeking Him first, or understanding that the Temple, God has given me should abide in sin any longer.
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How can I say both?
Well, what is faith?
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:1
Here is a different version, one that speaks volumes....
Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Faith is an actual substance it is an energy that can be amplified when wielded under the direction of the Holy Spirit to bring Glory to God. When used unskillfully it is to our harm, it is an element, it is the seeds that we sow, and the harvest we reap. Think about how everything works on this earth, we use Faith everday, knowingly and unknowingly. Only when guided by the Love of Christ does it edify the kingdom.
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I think (emphasis) I know what you are trying to say, freedom. Or maybe I don't.
I am perfect.
But I am perfect only because of Christ. I am perfect because I have Christ in me and His goodness and blood covers my fleshly imperfections.
In other words, I am not perfect except Christ in me makes me so.
Is that what you're trying to say or has someone really convinced you that you can reach perfection on your own? That you can actually accomplish something good.
Never did i say perfection was reached on our own. I would hope by now that it shouldnt' be necessary to say Jesus, Jesus around every communication. Do you really believe that i would think that God and His Son are not the power behind and within the pursuit?
Look around, is this country of believers growing closer to God? Are we receiving the powers that Jesus promised we would receive? Have we overcome our weaknesses? Or are we Overcome by weakness and Fear?
godspeed,
freedom
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The problem is that most people don't even take the responsibility for their mistakes, therefore are unable to learn from their mistakes.
Only when you mean reflection with prayer instead of simply being given an answer (on a silver platter) by God.
So cheat sheets are okay in your book?
Just wanna understand/know:
