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Old 11-17-2008, 07:57 PM
 
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The word "hell" is found many times in the Bible translations in the same translations you read the grae, the world of the dead and so forth. The Hebrew she'ol and its Greek equivalent hai'des which refer not to an individual burial place but to the common grave of dead mankind, also the Greek ( ga'en.na) which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom ( false religion) and in many non-Christian religions, it is taught that ( hell ) is a place of inhabited y demons and where the wicked , after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment. ................................ Does the Bible indicate whether the dead experience pain? Read Eccl. 9:5, 10 " The living are conscious that they will die; but s for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all.. All hat your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol the place to which you are goin." REASON: If there are conscious of noting, they obviously feel no pain. Read Psalm 146: 4 " His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish." ........ DOES the Bible indicate hat the soul survives the death of the body..... NO. Read Ezek. 18:4 " The soul that is sinning-itself will die." HUMANS ARE SOULS. The Concept of "soul" meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the body... does not exist in the Bible. Although the Hebrew word nefesh in the Hebrew Scriputres is frequently translatd as soul it would e inaccurate to read itno it a Gree meaning NEFES is never conceived of as operation separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often tanslated as SOUL but agai should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosphers. It usually means LIFE or Vitality r at times, the self. ( The Encyclopeida American 9 1977 )Vol. 25, p. 236 ................................ WHAT SORT OF PEOPLE GO TO THE BIBLE HELL... Does the Bible say that the wicked go to hell, Read Psalm 9: 17, " The wicked shall b turned into hell and all the nations that forget God." ( Hell, Psalm 9: 18 " death" the plae of death, Sheol HELL IS JUST THE COMMON GRAVE of all humans. THE BURIAL GROUND, THere is no such thing as a hellfire, no where in the Bible does God teach about that.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:24 PM
 
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Default What you always wanted to know about hell.

Does the Bible also say that upright people go to hell. Read Job 14: 13 and Acts 2: 25-27 Does anyone get out of the Bible hell, according to the Bible they do, Rev. 20: 13, 14 Notice ( hell) is not the same as the "lake of fire" So the dead are delivered from hell mankinds common grave where they are in a deep death sleep. Sleep because all the dead will be resurrected again, Read John 5: 27,28 Jesus, has the power from his Father to resurrect the billions of people that died back to GOD's new KINGDOM here on Paradise Earth, it will not be anything like this system we live in. More on that in another post. ........................ WHY is there confushon as to what the Bible says about hell? Much confusio and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistenly rendering he Hebrew ( SHEOL and the GREEK ( HADES and GEHANNA by the word hell. The simple translation of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to apprciably clear up this confusion and misconception.: THE ENCYCLOPEDIA AMERICANA 142 Vol XIV, p. 81 ..................... Where did this HELLFIRE teahcing come from? In ancient Babylonian and Assyrian beliefs the "nether world is pictured as a place full of horrors and presided over by od and demons of great strength and ficeness. ( The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria) 1898 Morris Jastrow, Jr. p. 581 ) Early evidence of the fiery aspect of Christendom's hell is found in the religion of ancient Egypt. ( The book of the Dea, 1960 pp. 144, 149, 151, 153, 161 )Buddhism, which dates back to the 6th centur B.C.E. in time came to feature both hot and cold hells. ( The Encyclopedia Americana, 1977, Vol 14, p. 68 ) Depictions of hell portrayed in Catholic Churches in Italy have been traced to Etrscan roots. ( La Civittaetrusca ( Milan , 1979 ( Werner Keller, p. 389 ) ............................... But the real roots of this GOD-DISHONORING DOCTRINE go much deeper. The fiendish concepts associatd with a hell torment SLANDER GOD and originate with the CHIEF SLANDERER of God, SATAN THE DEVIL, which name means " slanderer" the one whom Jesus Christ called " the father of the lie" Satan the devil. Read. John 8: 44
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:28 PM
 
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This mambo jambo didn't say nothing about what hell is. Can you translate all this in plain English?

Also, view of hell is different in different religions, i have to make sure i'm going to the right hell after i'm dead
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:44 PM
 
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I agree that the mistranslations in some of Bibles have contributed to misinformation, misunderstanding of words that have been translated as hell in some Bibles. I believe that many will experience hell, torment, condemnation, God's wrath, punishment, but I do not believe that hell is a literal place of never ending suffering. Thank you for sharing, Kampalua. God bless.

http://www.christianheretic.com/articles/article1.html

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Old 11-17-2008, 08:58 PM
 
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Default What you always wanted to know about hell.

What does the Bible say the penalty for sin is... r Romans 6:23 " The wages sin pays is death." After one's death, is that person still subject to further punishment? NO one is ever punished when they die, Romans 6: 7 " H who has died has been acuitted from his sin." NO NEED TO PRAY FOR THE DEAD. They are all going to be resurrected in God's appointed time. John 5:27, 28 .......................... IS ETERNAL TORMENT of the WICKED COMPATIBLE with GOD's Personality? NO. Rea Jer. 7: 31 JEHOVAH GOD goes on to say that He had NOT commanded and that had not come up into his heart to have anyone burned, so he surely does ont have and use such a thing on a large scale. IF YOU THINK about it, how can a dead person feel pain. Brainwashed by the PRIESTS. So that they could make money off of you. Those are the people of LAWLESSNESS who blasphemied about GOD. The churches of CHRISTENDOM teach lies about GOD. The claim is oftn made that the threatened punishments of hell are a strong force in moving people to do what is right in the CHURCHES but do the facts of history ear this out? Have not some of the greatiest cruelties been perpetrated by believers in the DOCTRINE of HELLFIRE? Are not the horrible inquistions and blood splling crusades of Christendom example of this. So it should come as no surprise that a growing number of people do not really believe in the existence of a hell of torment nor do they view its punishment as a deterent to wrongdoing. Still they may be members of a church that Teache this doctrine and by supporting it, share responsibility for Propagating the teaching of hellfire. But just what does the Bible say about torment, I told you some things above here. THERE is no Scriptural foundation for the doctrine of eternal torment after death as I showed you in the Bible. For nothing survives that can e subjected to literal tormetn. However,no where does the Bible itself refer to such a place as LIMBO or does it support the idea of a special resting plac for the soul as something distinctly separate from the body. WHat, then is the " hell" in which Jacob thought he would join his son? The correct answer to this question is getting he proper sense of the original -language word for HELL namelysh'ohl which is transliterated SHEOL . This term also tanlatd as GRAVE, PIT "abode of the dead" and "nether world" appear 66 times in the New World Translation ) in the 39 books of the Hebrew Scriptures Commly called the Old Testament) but it is never associatd with life, activity or torment. To the contrary, it is often linked with death and inactivity. A few examples Pslm 6:5 and 6:6 Read that. Then read Eccl. 9:10 and Isaiah 38: 18, 19 ) Hence, Sheol is obviously he place to which the dead go. It is not an individual grabe but the common grave f dead humans in general where ALL consciousactivity ceases.. There is no plac of fiery torment existed during the entire Hebrew Scripture period is also confirmed by the fac that torment is never set forth as the penalty for disobedience. The choice that was put before the nation of Israel was, not life or torment but life or death. Moses told the Nation: " I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep live, you and yoru offspring; by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to hi." Deut 30: 19, 20 open your Bibles and read. Similarly God's later appeals for unfaithful Israelites to REPENT served to encourage them to avoid experiencing, not torment but an untimely death. Throughhis prophect Ezekiel, Jehovah declared. " I take delight, not in the death f the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keps living. Turn bakc, turn back from your bad ways, for why is it that you should die, o house of Israel?" Ezek. 33: 11 Read your Bible.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:10 PM
 
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:17 PM
 
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Yet, someone might ask, did not the coming of Jesus Christ to this earth change matters? No, because God does not change his personality r his righteous standards. By mean of his prophet Malachi, e statd: " I am Jehovah ; I have not changed." Malachi 3:6) Jehovah has not changed the penalty for disobedience. He is patient with people so that they might be able to escape , not torment, but destruction; ( At Armageddon ) Apostle Peter 2 Peter 3:9 Please read. Jehovah is slow rspecting his promise and patient with all of us because GOD does not want anyone to be destroyed in Armageddo and wants all people to repent. But I know that not all people wont listen, it is too hard for them to obey. and they like this old wicked system. Ok, in keeping with the fac that the penalty for disobedienc has continued to be death, the place to which the Christian Greek Scriptures ( commonly called the New Testament) describes the dead as going does not differ from the Sheol of the Hebrew Scriptures. ( Romans 6:23, read in your Bible. Not this is evident from a comparison of the Hebrew Scriptures, with the Christian Greek Scriptures. 10 occurences, the Greek HAI'DES which is translitered HADES basically conveys the same meaningas the Hebrew world Sh'ohl' Read Matthew 11:23, 16: 18, Lucke 10:15 16: 23, Acts 2:27, 31, Rev 1: 18, 6:8 20: 13, 14 If the translation you are using does not read HELL or HADES in all these texts you will nevertheless not that the terms used instead give not hint of a place of TORMENT. Consider this Read Psalm 16: 10 15: 10 Douay Version" For you will ont leave y soul in Shel ( hell) . You will not allow your loyal one to see the pit." Okay, in a discourse given by the apostle Peter this psalm was shown to have Prophetic application. Read Acts 2: 30, 31 Oke note that the greek word HAI'DES was used for the Hebrew word s'ol. So Sheol and Hades are seen to be corresponding terms. I have to go right now I have some stray cats to feed outside, they both have heated cat houses.
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:51 PM
 
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Jesus spoke of hell as the place where "the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched". He told of the rich man who woke up tormented in flame in hell. John speaks of it as the "lake of fire and brimstone" in Revelation. Hell is very much a fiery torment, despite the fact many today are moving away from that doctrine because of how frightening it is.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:06 AM
 
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What does the Bible say the penalty for sin is... r Romans 6:23 " The wages sin pays is death." After one's death, is that person still subject to further punishment?
We are suffering in that punishment now. (Eph 2:1, 2:5, Col 2:13) When Adam fell, he died.

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Jesus spoke of hell as the place where "the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched". He told of the rich man who woke up tormented in flame in hell. John speaks of it as the "lake of fire and brimstone" in Revelation. Hell is very much a fiery torment, despite the fact many today are moving away from that doctrine because of how frightening it is.
The flesh will be subjected to fire until it is consumed, never more to hold captive those He has bought. As Shana mentioned, it is a place for correction. Man's spirit shouldn't be confused with his soul, which is the part of him that is fallen.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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I have given my personal opinion of hell many, many times on this forum, so one more, because I am totally convinced that it is this
Hell is eternal separation from God as in eternal death..Eternal death is without form, conscious and no longer existing in any way, shape or form..A rejection tossed and forgotten...forevermore because we (knowingly) rejected him...I don't desire to be separated from God
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