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In regards to the chip becoming a reality, my husband and I have had many conversations. He is satisfied that this chip is not the mark; however, I am satisfied that there is no way that I would take it. So, in my thinking, I was thinking, okay, if the chip comes to light, he will take it...I will not. But how is this going to make me suffer? I won't have to go to the grocery store anymore...I won't have to put gas in my own car anymore...etc...as he said he would do it for me. It would seem to me that he will be the one to suffer more for having to do all the work and errands I normally do! ....okay....that was just a thought. I would also live in constant fear (from God) that I was enjoying the "perks" from something that I associated with the beast. So wouldn't that alone be a sin on my part? and in thinking about the bible, he has been saved and baptized...the bible says there is only one way...hasn't he completed the way? So, if he took the chip, isn't this a sure sign that this is not the mark? (I know, my husbands says I think too much)
Anyway, just some food for thought.--I know there are many questions within this single thread.
In regards to the chip becoming a reality, my husband and I have had many conversations. He is satisfied that this chip is not the mark; however, I am satisfied that there is no way that I would take it. So, in my thinking, I was thinking, okay, if the chip comes to light, he will take it...I will not. But how is this going to make me suffer? I won't have to go to the grocery store anymore...I won't have to put gas in my own car anymore...etc...as he said he would do it for me. It would seem to me that he will be the one to suffer more for having to do all the work and errands I normally do! ....okay....that was just a thought. I would also live in constant fear (from God) that I was enjoying the "perks" from something that I associated with the beast. So wouldn't that alone be a sin on my part? and in thinking about the bible, he has been saved and baptized...the bible says there is only one way...hasn't he completed the way? So, if he took the chip, isn't this a sure sign that this is not the mark? (I know, my husbands says I think too much)
Anyway, just some food for thought.--I know there are many questions within this single thread.
Yes, food for thought............
Miss Sherry are you ready for some serious answers? "So, if he, (being your husband) took the chip, is'nt this a sure sign that this is not the mark"?
Did'nt He say: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right or in their foreheads (Rev. 13-18)
Just a question with NO disrespect intended: Would that be all the "proof" needed for you to be sure that "this chip" is NOT the mark of the beast? Your husband accepting it? He readily accepts it to provide for the family, so this cannot be it? Just curious.
In regards to the chip becoming a reality, my husband and I have had many conversations. He is satisfied that this chip is not the mark; however, I am satisfied that there is no way that I would take it. So, in my thinking, I was thinking, okay, if the chip comes to light, he will take it...I will not. But how is this going to make me suffer? I won't have to go to the grocery store anymore...I won't have to put gas in my own car anymore...etc...as he said he would do it for me. It would seem to me that he will be the one to suffer more for having to do all the work and errands I normally do! ....okay....that was just a thought. I would also live in constant fear (from God) that I was enjoying the "perks" from something that I associated with the beast. So wouldn't that alone be a sin on my part? and in thinking about the bible, he has been saved and baptized...the bible says there is only one way...hasn't he completed the way? So, if he took the chip, isn't this a sure sign that this is not the mark? (I know, my husbands says I think too much)
Anyway, just some food for thought.--I know there are many questions within this single thread.
Greetings, sherryturner! Whatever the mark was, it was something that must be found in the confines of the clear time frame presented in the Book of Revelation. John was shown those things which were in his day to "shortly" take place because the time was THEN "near" (Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). In case we missed the time frame in the first chapter, it is repeated in the last. John, unlike Daniel (Dan. 12), is told to NOT seal up the words of the prophecy of the book because the time was "at hand" (near)--Revelation 22:10! Jesus said "I am coming soon."
The "mark of the beast" falls within that clear time frame. It must be found in the first-century world, pre-A. D. 70.
Miss Sherry are you ready for some serious answers? "So, if he, (being your husband) took the chip, is'nt this a sure sign that this is not the mark"?
Did'nt He say: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right or in their foreheads (Rev. 13-18)
Just a question with NO disrespect intended: Would that be all the "proof" needed for you to be sure that "this chip" is NOT the mark of the beast? Your husband accepting it? He readily accepts it to provide for the family, so this cannot be it? Just curious.
Hi Betsy,
No, in my own opinion, this would not be enough proof that "this chip" is not the mark of the beast. I was just thinking, though, if he received the the chip .... then what about him being saved and baptized? This situation, I don't think would only apply to our family...it would also be seen with your neighbors also. So what does this mean? If we are saying that we will not take the chip...but you see others, who you know have been saved and baptized...what does that say for what we also believe...that being saved is the way to Jesus? I had really never thought about this before. We don't know what will really happen until that time comes.
Sherry
I am a pre-trib so I believe if you are truly Christians then you will be taken up in the rapture before the mark is intoduced.
Then why will those that don't take it be killed? Those that won't take it are given a choice to take the mark and deny Christ, or not take it and be killed.
Hi Betsy,
No, in my own opinion, this would not be enough proof that "this chip" is not the mark of the beast. I was just thinking, though, if he received the the chip .... then what about him being saved and baptized? This situation, I don't think would only apply to our family...it would also be seen with your neighbors also. So what does this mean? If we are saying that we will not take the chip...but you see others, who you know have been saved and baptized...what does that say for what we also believe...that being saved is the way to Jesus? I had really never thought about this before. We don't know what will really happen until that time comes.
Sherry
Do you think if it's God's will that we are still here during that time, do you think honestly we will be able to live harmoniously along side the "general population"? Hence, being seen by our neighbors? Do you not think that there will be some sort of "bounty" on the heads of believers who does not have the required chip?
You know what the rest of the scriptures speak about in regards to those who do receive the mark. Whether save or unsaved, what does the scripture reveal to us about them? Be it your husband, my brother, my sister, or friend, what does the scripture say?
That's why today is the day of salvation. Today! So me, whether I'm called today, or tomorrow, or during the tribulation, we ought to be ready at any notice.
Do you think if it's God's will that we are still here during that time, do you think honestly we will be able to live harmoniously along side the "general population"? Hence, being seen by our neighbors? Do you not think that there will be some sort of "bounty" on the heads of believers who does not have the required chip?
You know what the rest of the scriptures speak about in regards to those who do receive the mark. Whether save or unsaved, what does the scripture reveal to us about them? Be it your husband, my brother, my sister, or friend, what does the scripture say?
That's why today is the day of salvation. Today! So me, whether I'm called today, or tomorrow, or during the tribulation, we ought to be ready at any notice.
I was just thinking...maybe too much...if those who I know believe and are saved are taking this chip, then is it the mark? It says that we won't be tricked into taking the mark. That we will know what it is. I agree that one day our society will not be as we view it now. So, what is your opinion of someone who is saved and believes and then they take this chip? We are not to judge...and I am a firm believer that whosoever believes in Christ and that he came to save us from our sin will go to heaven...it is just confusing to think that some of these same people who believe this are thinking that taking the chip is okay. So, my thoughts are: What will happen to them? They are believers...so is taking the chip just another sin? To my understanding if the "mark" that is talked about in the bible is taken then you are worshipping the anti-christ.--not God. So, I hate repeating myself, but, if they take this chip, knowing what we know about the bible, does it determine their spriritual well being? ---and if so, then what about when the bible talks of there only being one way?
I am not trying to be arguementative...only sincere in asking a question that I have thought about for the last few weeks..
Betsy, i don't take what you say lightly...because I've had dreams...(I know you've seen them on here)...and I am believer that now is the time to bring all we can to Christ..I am a believer that we help those that may lose their faith during these trials and tribulations..I am a believer that we stay strong in our faith of God.
I was just thinking...maybe too much...if those who I know believe and are saved are taking this chip, then is it the mark? It says that we won't be tricked into taking the mark. That we will know what it is. I agree that one day our society will not be as we view it now. So, what is your opinion of someone who is saved and believes and then they take this chip? We are not to judge...and I am a firm believer that whosoever believes in Christ and that he came to save us from our sin will go to heaven...it is just confusing to think that some of these same people who believe this are thinking that taking the chip is okay. So, my thoughts are: What will happen to them? They are believers...so is taking the chip just another sin? To my understanding if the "mark" that is talked about in the bible is taken then you are worshipping the anti-christ.--not God. So, I hate repeating myself, but, if they take this chip, knowing what we know about the bible, does it determine their spriritual well being? ---and if so, then what about when the bible talks of there only being one way?
I am not trying to be arguementative...only sincere in asking a question that I have thought about for the last few weeks..
Betsy, i don't take what you say lightly...because I've had dreams...(I know you've seen them on here)...and I am believer that now is the time to bring all we can to Christ..I am a believer that we help those that may lose their faith during these trials and tribulations..I am a believer that we stay strong in our faith of God.
I have a question: How is it that you feel one is being judgmental when HE has already spoken? The Judge himself has already given the sentence of what happens if one receive the mark. Maybe I'm a little more blunt than some, so here goes: If a "christian" takes the mark, is he really then a "christian"? One that has been baptized, speak in tongues, etc. etc. is he really a "christian" if he takes the mark? Is this what you really want to ask without seeming judgmental?
I have a question: How is it that you feel one is being judgmental when HE has already spoken? The Judge himself has already given the sentence of what happens if one receive the mark. Maybe I'm a little more blunt than some, so here goes: If a "christian" takes the mark, is he really then a "christian"? One that has been baptized, speak in tongues, etc. etc. is he really a "christian" if he takes the mark? Is this what you really want to ask without seeming judgmental?
You are right...He has already given the sentence of what happens if one receives the mark. But don't you think He will also convict our spirits even more than He has if this chip does indeed to turn out to be the mark? I mean, I know that I will not take it. I have no doubts. But won't He convict others more than what He has if this is indeed the true mark? I mean, I can say I won't take it because it says in the bible not to receive a mark in the right hand or forehead...I don't believe there is any excuse to put anything there, whether it is a chip, a tatoo, or anything else. (this is only my opinion)
oh...and you were right...my thoughts were along the lines of "if he/she is a true Christian or not" if they receive the chip or whatever it may be.
I know that when I was younger that I "presented" myself as a "true" Christian...but have since found out that I more than likely was not. I was not convicted in my heart, as I am now. I could talk the talk and walk the walk...but not when it came to true..very true belief. I have this now, and I thank God that He sent the things He did to give this to me. Now I have more of a "personal" relationship with God...one in which I can talk with him...but fear Him all the same. I think it is called love and respect.
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