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Maybe we're not on the same page at all. I certainly don't disagree with the doctrine of a Godhead made up of a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit. I believe in all three. I believe that all three are divine. I believe that all three are one in will, purpose, mind and heart. I'm sorry but I don't see how any of these verses prove that they are numerically one.
I believe they are all three one God. Maybe the post below explains it better.
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Originally Posted by Shiloh1
Yes, if by divinity you mean they are in the essence of YHWH in ontology not functionality or personhood. The Father is a person, the Son is a person, the Spirit is a person - 3 Tot. But they are one divine essence. They have different functional relationships within the Godhead (Divine Essence)
They are not three seperate divinities but three seperate persons.
Yes, if by divinity you mean they are in the essence of YHWH in ontology not functionality or personhood. The Father is a person, the Son is a person, the Spirit is a person - 3 Tot. But they are one divine essence. They have different functional relationships within the Godhead (Divine Essence)
They are not three seperate divinities but three seperate persons.
My problem here is that people throw out the words "essence" and "substance" without being able to explain what they mean by them. What, to you, is an essence or substance.
If this were true, then the ransom Sacrifice was a hoax and Satan wins the challenge and argument he gave God in the beginning.
By your definition here, Moses would have been God for performing all those miracles. The Prophets Elijah and Elisha should both be considered God on Earth because both resurrected people long before Jesus ever got here. Elisha also resurrected someone long after he was dead. Marauding bands of Moabites buried a man where Ilisha was and the man's body touched Elisha's bones and the man lived again. Were those dead bones God almighty as well ???
I guess the apostles Peter and Paul both were also God almighty since they resurrected the dead as well. By your own definition ONLY God in the flesh could have done such a thing and all of them were in the flesh.
Okay bluepacfic take a deep breath and calm down,
It's all about context.
You have taken what I said about Christ and what He did at a GIVEN TIME and took what I said out of context and then you twisted my words.
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Jn. 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and *I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Could anyone but God in the flesh raise Himself from the dead?
Does this passage speak of Moses, Peter, Paul or any of the others you mentioned? No. Are Moses, Peter, or Paul speaking here? No.
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Jn. 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Could anyone other than God in the flesh give someone eternal life?
Again the same question as above applies and the answer once again is. No.
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Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Joh 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
Again I ask...Could anyone other than God call someone to come out of the 'grave' and back to life?
Again. Context. This is an event that happened at a given time. Is this Moses or Peter speaking? No.
I'm sorry you feel such a deep need to discredit Christ.
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Mat 10:5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
You have taken what I said about Christ and what He did at a GIVEN TIME and took what I said out of context and then you twisted my words.
Does this passage speak of Moses, Peter, Paul or any of the others you mentioned? No. Are Moses, Peter, or Paul speaking here? No.
Again the same question as above applies and the answer once again is. No.
Again. Context. This is an event that happened at a given time. Is this Moses or Peter speaking? No.
I'm sorry you feel such a deep need to discredit Christ.
Who's discrediting Christ ??? You said his raising people from the dead was proof enough that he was God in the flesh. All I said is that in the Bible says, that before and after Christ was here on earth, there were also prophets and apostles who also were in the flesh and raised the dead as well. But that does'nt mean they were God Almighty.
I don't know where that could have been misunderstood.
Who's discrediting Christ ??? You said his raising people from the dead was proof enough that he was God in the flesh. All I said is that in the Bible says, that before and after Christ was here on earth, there were also prophets and apostles who also were in the flesh and raised the dead as well. But that does'nt mean they were God Almighty.
I don't know where that could have been misunderstood.
I understood ya Blue!
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