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Old 05-22-2009, 10:53 PM
 
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I responded to this, Fundy:



God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden. He knew what would happen and I believe that He intended for it to happen to accomplish His desired end. He is making us into His image. This does not mean that He is sinful but that He uses the experience of sin to teach us and mold us for example. We would not know Him and glorify Him as Savior without the experience of sin. God bless.
You are being sort of vague. Does God contribute or generate sin in a person?
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Old 05-23-2009, 02:56 AM
 
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Hi Latte'Chic, maybe you misread my statement. I was saying that many have lost faith because of the teaching of eternal or everlasting hell and many have committed suicide because of the teaching of eternal or everlasting hell. Cases have been documented and I have read accounts of this. Many understand that everlasting torment does not reflect God's agape love or God's omniscience and many do not comprehend how this can be and as a result have lost faith or committed suicide. There are many people also who say that the only reason they have "decided" to come to God is because of the threat of everlasting hell. God bless.
1John 4:15-16
Who ever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

Now how can a person who abides in Gods love and God abides in him loose that love and kill themselves?

AND show me those documented cases of a believer who abides in Gods love and God abides in him that committed suicide because of the fear of hell?
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:07 AM
 
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1John 4:15-16
Who ever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

Now how can a person who abides in Gods love and God abides in him loose that love and kill themselves?

AND show me those documented cases of a believer who abides in Gods love and God abides in him that committed suicide because of the fear of hell?



Hi there,
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I was saying that many have lost faith because of the teaching of eternal or everlasting hell and many have committed suicide because of the teaching of eternal or everlasting hell. Cases have been documented and I have read accounts of this.
Please reread. God bless.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:12 AM
 
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1John 4:15-16
Who ever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

Now how can a person who abides in Gods love and God abides in him loose that love and kill themselves?

AND show me those documented cases of a believer who abides in Gods love and God abides in him that committed suicide because of the fear of hell?
Are you serious? You've never heard of a Christian killing themselves? I have, and in fact an old high school buddy of mine just killed himself last month. Granted he had "fallen away" but I know for a fact he had a born again experience in high school.

Let me guess...you don't believe in once saved always saved, right?
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:16 AM
 
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Hi there,


Please reread. God bless.
I know what you are saying......

BUT......

1John 4:15-16
Who ever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

Now how can a person who abides in Gods love and God abides in him loose that love and kill themselves?

AND show me those documented cases of a believer who abides in Gods love and God abides in him that committed suicide because of the fear of hell?
If you have read and know of documented cases.....then produce them!
Or your statement is deceptive! Because if this is suppose to be true you can back up your statement!
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:21 AM
 
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Are you serious? You've never heard of a Christian killing themselves? I have, and in fact an old high school buddy of mine just killed himself last month. Granted he had "fallen away" but I know for a fact he had a born again experience in high school.

Let me guess...you don't believe in once saved always saved, right?
Nope never have heard of a true believer committing suicide!!!
But you stated he had "fallen away" from the truth, big difference! NO longer hearing the voice of God, but the enemy of his soul!!!

And no I don't believe in OSAS! Do you? Show me the scripture to back up your belief in OSAS if this is what you believe!
Another question, are you a universalist? If so there is no need to reply to my post!!!

Blessings
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Nope never have heard of a true believer committing suicide!!!
But you stated he had "fallen away" from the truth, big difference! NO longer hearing the voice of God, but the enemy of his soul!!!

And no I don't believe in OSAS! Do you? Show me the scripture to back up your belief in OSAS if this is what you believe!
Another question, are you a universalist? If so there is no need to reply to my post!!!

Blessings
Yes I am ... so I guess I'm not qualified to answer your post.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:28 AM
 
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Yes I am ... so I guess I'm not qualified to answer your post.
Yep.... you're right on!
My we have some bright people today posting!!
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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Yep.... you're right on!
My we have some bright people today posting!!
Wow, how really rude and demeaning. WWJD?
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:36 AM
 
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Wow, how really rude and demeaning. WWJD?
LOL....don't try to make me feel guilty over such dumb questions!!! Has nothing to do with WWJD!!! See below!

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Yes I am ... so I guess I'm not qualified to answer your post.
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