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Responsible to who? I don't agree with that term. This is about God's attributes and that is getting the glory and sharing none, As long as God gets the glory He will always remain God. God will never go against His nature or else he ceases being God. If it gives Him the glory then He will do it and if that means sending people to hell, then that is what it means. We can't sit here and judge or compare God to Dr. Frankenstein. He does what He want and we MUST understand it despite how we feel.
If I found out today that there is no hell then that would be fine with me because I trust that God is good and right but if you found out if hell exist. Could you say the same?
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Responsible (Dictionary.com)
1.answerable or accountable, as for something within one's power, control, or management (often fol. by to or for):2.involving accountability or responsibility: a responsible position. 3.chargeable with being the author, cause, or occasion of something
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I am talking about all being out of God. The scriptures tell us that He all is out of Him. He is the source of all things and He takes the responsibility. He knew exactly what would happen in the creation and intended for all to happen. If He didn't then He is not all knowing and He is not Sovereign. This is one reason why I believe that He will deliver all of creation as is revealed in Romans 8. He subjected the creation to futility (He did) and He will deliver the creation. I know that everlasting hell does not exist because the scriptures teach that God will reunite all things in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1) and that He will deliver the creation from the slavery to corruption and change it into the glorious freedom of the children of God. (Romans 8) I have also read that Jesus is to fill all things. This is where my belief comes from and I don't see how these scriptures can be denied. Back a little later, Lord willing- must do some errands. God bless.
I am talking about all being out of God. He is the source of all things and He takes the responsibility. He knew exactly what would happen in the creation and intended for all to happen. If He didn't then He is not all knowing and He is not Sovereign. This is one reason why I believe that He will deliver all of creation as is revealed in Romans 8. He subjected the creation to futility (He did) and He will deliver the creation. I know that everlasting hell does not exist because the scriptures teach that God will reunite all things in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1) and that He will deliver the creation from the slavery to corruption and change it into the glorious freedom of the children of God. (Romans 8) This is where my belief comes from. God bless.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you if you found out that hell exist and that God has an eternal hell. Would you be ok with that? If I found out that hell did not exist and that rapists, murderers who die in their sins unrepentant go to heaven I would be ok with it because I trust God and know He is always right.
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I, for one, am not in fear of Christ's second coming. If I am not ready for my eminent death, I am not ready for that either. I chose to be ready at all times.
Whaaaaat?!! Your comparing the sovereignty of God with Dr. Frankenstein?
I knew someone who couldn`t defend it would say this. We are talking about free will here fundy, hello! Nobody is comparing God to Dr. Frankenstein. But I think you know that. Like a lot of others have stated about your post, you are very close minded and choose to attack. That`s why I believe God is using you for his purpose in this forum, to compare your attitude and post ( fundamentilist view)to ones who try to show God is in control.
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It is obvious you don't know the attributes of God. He did it for His glory which is your good and not the other way around.
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What? Did I say he didn`t do it for his glory? Fundy, you really need to start reading what people write instead of just typing stuff that makes no sense at all.
I knew someone who couldn`t defend it would say this. We are talking about free will here fundy, hello! Nobody is comparing God to Dr. Frankenstein. But I think you know that. Like a lot of others have stated about your post, you are very close minded and choose to attack. That`s why I believe God is using you for his purpose in this forum, to compare your attitude and post ( fundamentilist view)to ones who try to show God is in control.
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What? Did I say he didn`t do it for his glory? Fundy, you really need to start reading what people write instead of just typing stuff that makes no sense at all.
Glory schmory! I really get upset with these primitive mischaracterizations of God. When will we grow out of them? Can you actually see Jesus doing ANYTHING for Glory? Only egotistic immature humans consider that a relevant motivation for our already glorious God. Bah . . . humbug.
I didn't ask you that. I asked you if you found out that hell exist and that God has an eternal hell. Would you be ok with that? If I found out that hell did not exist and that rapists, murderers who die in their sins unrepentant go to heaven I would be ok with it because I trust God and know He is always right.
Again, a post that makes no sense. If you found out that what you believed was wrong and YOU and your family were going to hell, would you be ok with that? I mean, since we are talking hypotheticals here. If you found out hinduism was the right religion, would you be ok with that? If you found out muhammad was right, would you be ok with that? What is the point of this question..
Glory schmory! I really get upset with these primitive mischaracterizations of God. When will we grow out of them? Can you actually see Jesus doing ANYTHING for Glory? Only egotistic immature humans consider that a relevant motivation for our already glorious God. Bah . . . humbug.
hummm. I think I'm a little late in the thread to say this. I've been thinking about it for a good portion of my day. I said that the bible tells us some will lose faith and someone asked if that was in scripture....i think it is...in Revelations...where it talks of the anti-christ coming and many will think it is Jesus. If I'm wrong...I need to know...but as far as I know, i've always understood this to be so. i will study more when tonight when I get home. Am at work right now and don't have time to look it up.
This thread has traveled a ways today...are we back to the existence of hell? How'd it go from the chosen to that? I'll have read more of it later.
Have a great afternoon!
Originally Posted by MysticPhD Glory schmory! I really get upset with these primitive mischaracterizations of God. When will we grow out of them? Can you actually see Jesus doing ANYTHING for Glory? Only egotistic immature humans consider that a relevant motivation for our already glorious God. Bah . . . humbug.
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Amen, spm62. God bless.
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