The Deadly Folly of Incorrect Biblical Translations (Holy Spirit, Israel, verse)
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Therefore, by definition none of us are virgins. Jesus was referring to something else. .
But Thrillobyte, some of us are virgins...
(okay, perhaps not in your home town, but there are here where I live)
The term is talking about people that have not have had sex , ever.
The context also supports the understanding that a "virgin" is someone (In this case a man) that has never had sex.
Consider the text in question: These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
So I think the Text clearly wants us to understand that it's use of the term "virgin" is to mean men who did not have sex with women.
But please also take note of this one part of the verse:
"These were redeemed from among men"
"Redeemed" can mean a lot of different things, but one of the meanings in the Bible is that they have been "Saved from sin's hold" or "restored from sin"
I am redeemed.
yes I sinned, but I have been cleaned and set right.
I dont think we should think that someone that is called "Redeemed" is without any past sins, cuz I know I would fail that understanding.
Last edited by alanMolstad; 06-07-2009 at 10:11 AM..
Thrillobyte, jaw hanging to the ground, asks in total disbelief:
sc, are you actually saying that you don't sin anymore--that day by day you live a perfect life?????
I do not knowingly go against God, and that is the definition of willful sin. However, we should always be in the process of being purged by the Spirit of God as He reveals the error of our ways. It's the Holy Ghost that will remove the spots and the wrinkles, but only as we yield to Him. If we don't yield, then we will at best remain in God's permissible will, and not His divine will. It's our choice which path to take.
But Thrillobyte, some of us are virgins...
(okay, perhaps not in your home town, but there are here where I live)
The term is talking about people that have not have had sex , ever.
The context also supports the understanding that a "virgin" is someone (In this case a man) that has never had sex.
Consider the text in question: These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
So I think the Text clearly wants us to understand that it's use of the term "virgin" is to mean men who did not have sex with women.
But please also take note of this one part of the verse:
"These were redeemed from among men"
"Redeemed" can mean a lot of different things, but one of the meanings in the Bible is that they have been "Saved from sin's hold" or "restored from sin"
I am redeemed.
yes I sinned, but I have been cleaned and set right.
I dont think we should think that someone that is called "Redeemed" is without any past sins, cuz I know I would fail that understanding.
mes there remains a question 4 u! with does not mean by, imho. and from among sounds like .... first and second class citizenry as we all have come to accept it, one way or another.
that's correct.
the good news would be, you needed an update: it is done, like it or not!
another guess would be that lightning and thunder don't strike (you) on a sabbath either.
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s there remains a question 4 u! with does not mean by, imho. and from among sounds like .... first and second class citizenry as we all have come to accept it, one way or another. 
