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Suppose you and I were alive while Saul was persecuting the church. Suppose I had inside knowledge that he was a chosen vessel by God. I could have said "God wants to save Saul and will". Would you saying "then why hasn't Saul come to Christ?" really prove anything? It's all on God's timing.
Death is to be abolished, made of no effect according to 1 Corinthians 15. For as in Adam all die, in Christ all will be made alive.
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Psalms 22:
27. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations will worship before You.
28. For the kingdom is the LORD'S
And He rules over the nations.
29. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship,
All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep his soul alive
Psalms 66
4. "All the earth will worship You,
And will sing praises to You;
They will sing praises to Your name." Selah
Psalms 68:18
You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives;
You have received gifts among men,
Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there
Isaiah 25:6-8
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations.
8. He will swallow up death for all time,
And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces,
And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth;
For the LORD has spoken.
All we have to say is, "Christ died to pay the penalty for sin and provide a way for sinners to be reconciled to a holy God. Believe in Him and you will be saved."
That would get you out of the conundrum but was that really how Paul preached? And you really might have to say "certain sinners" or "elect sinners" because your whole argument is that Christ did not die for all sinners.
Seems to me that Paul made it personal. "how Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" Kind of hard to preach that without knowing who the elect are, unless of course Christ died for "all people" as the scriptures plainly say.
Suppose you and I were alive while Saul was persecuting the church. Suppose I had inside knowledge that he was a chosen vessel by God. I could have said "God wants to save Saul and will". Would you saying "then why hasn't Saul come to Christ?" really prove anything? It's all on God's timing.
No, God says Himself, that his desire is for all men to be saved. So if that is His desire why aren't all men saved? Billions have died in their sins without repenting. Why were they not saved before they died?
Suppose you and I were alive while Saul was persecuting the church. Suppose I had inside knowledge that he was a chosen vessel by God. I could have said "God wants to save Saul and will". Would you saying "then why hasn't Saul come to Christ?" really prove anything? It's all on God's timing.
Amen, and
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. God bless.
That would get you out of the conundrum but was that really how Paul preached?
Seems to me that Paul made it personal. "how Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures" Kind of hard to preach that without knowing who the elect are, unless of course Christ died for "all people" as the scriptures plainly say.
Yes....He didn't know who the elect are so he preached to everyone. We are to beg, to plead for the Gospel is to be preached to everyone, because it is the power of God to salvation for all who believe
(Romans 1:16) 16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
furthermore why are most of the witnessing on the streets, open air preacher of calvinist persuasion?
Okay, then Fundy, if you choose to read it that way, then all men are the elect God is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. 1 Timothy 4:10. God bless.
Philippians 2: 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Psalms 22: 27. All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, And all the families of the nations will worship before You. 28. For the kingdom is the LORD'S And He rules over the nations. 29. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, All those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, Even he who cannot keep his soul alive
Psalms 66 4. "All the earth will worship You, And will sing praises to You; They will sing praises to Your name." Selah
Psalms 68:18 You have ascended on high, You have led captive Your captives; You have received gifts among men, Even among the rebellious also, that the LORD God may dwell there
Isaiah 25:6-8 The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine. 7. And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, Even the veil which is stretched over all nations. 8. He will swallow up death for all time, And the Lord GOD will wipe tears away from all faces, And He will remove the reproach of His people from all the earth; For the LORD has spoken.
Okay, then fundy, if you choose to read it that way, then all men are the elect god is the savior of al men, especially of believers. 1 timothy 4:10. God bless.
We are to beg, to plead for the Gospel is to be preached to everyone, because it is the power of God to salvation for all who believe
(Romans 1:16) 16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
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God is the Savior of all men, especially of believers. 1 Timothy 4:10. God bless. 
