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Luke 13:28"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."
Some who think or appear to be "first" right now will be last to enter the Kingdom. And others who appear to be last right now, will be first to enter the Kingdom.
BUT THEY ALL ENTER.
There is an order of operations here.
Now that this topic has been successfully derailed maybe we can get back on topic. I thought pcamps original question was a good one.
28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves THRUST OUT.
Why don't you go back to the OP and answer the questions.
These same questions do not apply to those who believe in the salvation of all men obviosly because we believed as you did and after seeking light from God on the matter discovered what we believed was tradition passed through the ages.
28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves THRUST OUT.
Talking to Pharisees, they were self righteous. Iam a wretch in the eyes of God. I am a sinner, in need of a savior. I can do nothing good without Him. I have died to self. So how am I self righteous?
Why don't you go back to the OP and answer the questions.
These same questions do not apply to those who believe in the salvation of all men obviosly because we believed as you did and after seeking light from God on the matter discovered what we believed was tradition passed through the ages.
I did. You asked did I get on my knees and ask God is Pcamp right about all being saved. The verse I gave proved that I should not do that. Like Jesus said, worry about yourself entering the narrow gate.
Talking to Pharisees, they were self righteous. Iam a wretch in the eyes of God. I am a sinner, in need of a savior. I can do nothing good without Him. I have died to self. So how am I self righteous?
Hey Fundy,
I am agreeing with u. My point is that all would not enter the kingdom. Some would be thrust out!
Matt 21:31 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
This is what Jesus said to the chief priests and elders (the pharasees). The tax collectors would enter the Kingdom ahead of them. But notice - the Pharisees will enter!
The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
So what do you think is happening with those of us who no longer believe anything remotely like we used to do , but all profess now that believing UR i as brought them into closer union with Christ ?.
Matt 21:31 Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.
This is what Jesus said to the chief priests and elders (the pharasees). The tax collectors would enter the Kingdom ahead of them. But notice - the Pharisees will enter!
The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
Only my sheep hear my voice, you are not my sheep ring a bell. You can't build a doctrine on sporadic verses.
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maybe we can get back on topic. I thought pcamps original question was a good one.
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