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Old 07-09-2009, 06:50 AM
 
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If God doesnt grant one a conversion by the time a person leaves this earth, this life, then forget it, they are doomed forever..for they died in their sins..

There isn't too many people that don't realize that unless God grants us anything, there is nothing we can really do to obtain it otherwise. It's a bit more complicated to some when it comes to prosperity doctrines, but the majority understand God is what allows things.

However, the issue is that those professing doctrines such as yours (even ones that are less dark and miserable) cannot really accept that your own doctrines offer little, if any, hope for yourselves. In the end, you only preach such doctrines because somehow you have convinced yourself (IE deceived) that your one of the elect and you hang onto every little thread that this monster will not come to get you too.

If your doctrine is true, it's not, but if it is, then many of us understand the hopelessness and futility it teaches, in the end, if true, it will not be me or others that will be surprised, it will be you.
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Old 07-09-2009, 06:58 AM
 
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It doesnt make any difference, thats why many are going to be suprised in the day of Judgment..Jesus already predicts this matt 7:

Oh, there is a difference, the difference is that the disciplinary action is based on God being love. You say that God does not Love everyone, but that is impossible.

For GOD IS LOVE. He is not only LOVE to the elect because the entire fabric of what God is IS LOVE, there is no separating it. So it is impossible that God is only LOVE to certain ones.

You teach a lie, you teach that when God hates workers of iniquity that there is no love there, that is a LIE, a lie from the depths of evil itself.

God cannot hate workers of iniquity without LOVE being present.

It is that, that explains Gods ways are not our ways.

That is the means by which God saves everyone in due time.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:03 AM
 
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If your doctrine is true, it's not, but if it is, then many of us understand the hopelessness and futility it teaches, in the end, if true, it will not be me or others that will be surprised, it will be you.
Thats right, if your not a elect, your and anyone elses situation is hopeless..
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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Thats right, if your not a elect, your and anyone elses situation is hopeless..
Thats too bad for you
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:05 AM
 
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You say that God does not Love everyone, but that is impossible.
God doesnt Love everyone, for He hates the wicked seed of the serpent..ps 5:

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:06 AM
 
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Thats too bad for you
I am a elect..
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:07 AM
 
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God doesnt Love everyone, for He hates the wicked seed of the serpent..ps 5:

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


God IS love, so it is eternally present in all places, it is impossible that the consequenses will be eternal doom.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:08 AM
 
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I am a elect..

You have no hope according to your own doctrine. You can only claim it, but claiming it don't make it true.

It's your doctrine not mine. You have no hope because your doctrine cannot offer it to anyone.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:10 AM
 
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God IS love, so it is eternally present in all places, it is impossible that the consequenses will be eternal doom.
ps 5:

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

46And these [the wicked] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Old 07-09-2009, 07:18 AM
 
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ps 5:

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Matt 25:

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

46And these [the wicked] shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Then your doomed.
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