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Old 08-10-2009, 09:47 AM
 
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We must understand that A Judgement has taken place upon Adam. He received a sure condemnation of death. But one may ask then why do we die? The reason is that we are of the BODY of ADAM. We are members of him and therefore we receive the same condemnation.

Let's understand that sin is DEBT. It has a consequence that must be paid. As members of Adam we have that consequence of his sin. We are born WITH sin - Adam's sin. Until each of us dies we still have SIN.

Let that not be an excuse (as many will claim) that we cannot walk righteously (to walk without the practice of sin). For by the Holy Spirit we can be cleansed of all our sins.

So why do babies die? - because they are under the condemnation of death as members of the body of Adam for the transgression of God's commandment.

Paul
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:00 AM
 
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Babies die because they are sinners..all sinners begin as babies..ps 51:

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Elect babies sinned in Adam their natural federal head, and non elect babies sinned in the devil their Father..

Elect babies go to heaven, non elect babies will go to hell..both however will be instantaneously changed into adults in their respective destinies..
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Yes babies are born into a sinful world but there is an age of accountability so babies would not be condemned to hell.
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:18 AM
 
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Babies die because they are sinners..all sinners begin as babies..ps 51:

5Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Elect babies sinned in Adam their natural federal head, and non elect babies sinned in the devil their Father..

Elect babies go to heaven, non elect babies will go to hell..both however will be instantaneously changed into adults in their respective destinies..
Posts like that make me wonder if folks even know the God they claim to serve.

Is there any scriptural support for your last two sentences AT ALL or are you just making it up as you go?
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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This isn't about "HELL", but about why they die. Many think it is unfair that they die because they don't believe a baby has sinned. But they do have that sin from Adam's trangression.

Paul
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Old 08-10-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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Babies die for various reasons.

Some because God in His sovereignty chooses to have them play a role in His Kingdom through their death.

Others because of evil and malice are murdered.

All precious children are valuable to God and Jesus taught that explicitly in scriptures. God is good and God is just.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:39 PM
 
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Posts like that make me wonder if folks even know the God they claim to serve.

Is there any scriptural support for your last two sentences AT ALL or are you just making it up as you go?
You dont believe or understand scripture..
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Babies die for various reasons.

Some because God in His sovereignty chooses to have them play a role in His Kingdom through their death.

Others because of evil and malice are murdered.

All precious children are valuable to God and Jesus taught that explicitly in scriptures. God is good and God is just.
You dont know what your talking about, babies are little sinners, and if they arent elect, they are not precious to God..nothing is precious to God outside of His electing Love in Jesus christ..
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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Posts like that make me wonder if folks even know the God they claim to serve.

Is there any scriptural support for your last two sentences AT ALL or are you just making it up as you go?
I have to agree with you on this one. Where did that come from?
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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You dont know what your talking about, babies are little sinners, and if they arent elect, they are not precious to God..nothing is precious to God outside of His electing Love in Jesus christ..
Even the elect baby is still a sinner.

Paul
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