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Old 09-26-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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Mike,

Galatians 5: 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word (logos).....

Christ is the Word and He fulfiled it all brother.
Yes. The purpose of the law was to demonstrate that sinful man could not save himself by keeping the law, as no sinful man could keep the law.

Only Jesus Christ who was without sin could keep the law. And since He fulfilled the law, and we as Church age believers are placed into union with Christ through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, (1 Corinthians 12:13; Gal. 3:26-28; Eph. 4:5); we rest in Christ, and so for us, the law is dead. (Romans 7:4) ''Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, that you might be joined to another;to Him who was raised from the dead, that we might bear fruit for God.
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Old 09-26-2009, 10:50 PM
 
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As Paul made clear in the book of Romans and in the book of Galatians, the Law is set aside for the Church. The law only applied to Israel. The Church abides in Christ. Not in the law. We do not sacrifice for sins. Christ paid in full the penalty for our sins. Our sins are not merely covered by His sacrifice.
I don't see how the church has anything to do with it. I understand "body of Christ" being the congregation but how is the law abolished while the temple still stands. What is the meaning of this verse in your opinion:

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
Read in context it is giving account of what the first covenant was in effect as long as the first tabernacle stood right?

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In the Old Testament, the animal sacrifices which looked forward to the historical coming of Christ, could only cover our sins. But when the reality came, when Christ came historically and paid for our sins, our sins no longer were an issue in salvation. After being judged for the last of our sins, Jesus said ''Tetelestai.'' --It is finished in the past with the result that it remains finished forever. Tetelestai has to do with a transaction taking place and having been accomplished. The work of Christ on the Cross eliminated our sins as an issue with regard to salvation, forever. They are only an issue in time as you commit them because they put you into a state of carnality, where you are under the control of your sin nature instead of being filled by the Holy Spirit. This means you can come under divine discipline. (Hebrews 12:6) Naming your sins as per (1 John 1:9) is the remedy for this. Therefore our sins are not merely covered as in old Testament times. They are as Psalms 103:12 prophetically says, '' As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us.''
Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

So salvation cannot have come yet, right?

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When Christ returns and institutes the Millennium, there will be universal knowledge of the Lord. This however will not prevent many people from rejecting Him as Savior. Revelation 20:7-9 tells us that when Satan is released for a while from his prison at the end of the Millennium, he will deceive the nations. Even with the Lord physically on the earth, seated on Davids throne in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:9-21; Isaiah 9:7) there will still be people who want nothing to do with Him.

The resurrection of the dead (the first resurrection)takes place in 4 stages.

1) The resurrection of Christ: Matthew 28.

2) The resurrection of the Church: John 14:3; Acts 1:11; 2 Cor. 5:10; 2 Thess. 2:6; Phil. 3:20,21; 1 Thess 4:16,17,18; You must understand that the Church is taken into Heaven before the Tribulation begins on earth so that the Church can be prepared for the wedding to Christ. (Rev. 19:7-9)

And so that the Church age believer can be evaluated for the purpose of reward for the works done on earth, to reward the Gold, silver, and precious stones, and to burn up the works that proved to be wood, hay, and stubble.(1 Cor. 3:12-15)

Keep in mind that the Church returns with Christ at His second advent. (1 Thessalonians 3:13) In order to return with Him, the Church must have first been taken up into Heaven by Him.

3) The Old Testament saints and Tribulational martyrs who died at the end of the Tribulation. (Rev. 20:4)

4) The Millennial saints at the end of The Millennium. (Rev. 20:5)

Notice that in between verse 4 and verse 5, the entire thousand year Millennium has occurred. Verse 5 says, ''The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. 6) Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power. Verse 6 then goes on to say ''...and will reign with Him for a thousand years.'' Obviously those who are in stage four of the resurrection will not reign with Him, because they have not yet been resurrected. It is those who are a part of stage two and stage three who will reign with Him during the Millennium.

The second resurrection is one collective resurrection of unbelievers from all periods of human history. They appear at the Great White Throne Judgment in (Revelation 20:11-15.)

Once all this has occurred and all who are going to be saved are saved and in their resurrection bodies, and all those who have rejected Christ are cast into the Lake of fire, salvation will be complete. That is, every one both saved and unsaved are in their respective eternal destinations. Of course, looking at it from the other aspect, the WORK OF OUR SALVATION WAS COMPLETE AT THE CROSS. That is the work of Christ on the cross on our behalf.
Luke 11:51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

says that the generation of YOU in "I tell you" will be held responsible and is the object of destruction in the second coming.
Also, I disagree with your assertion that salvation came at the death of Christ:
Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Do away with sin... so why do you think sin has to be gone from the earth? If Jesus did away with in by his sacrifice shouldn't it have been gone years ago?

So in :

Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

what does he mean that he came to bring salvation if we already have it from the cross? Salvation from what?
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