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This is the major misunderstanding about Christ that stems from the savage concept of sacrifice born out of the ignorance of our primitive ancestors' beliefs about God.
So, our ancestors had no knowledge of who or what they worshipped?
They were ignorant primitives taught orally through the centuries by even more ignorant savages who had no conception of God other than as an external source of control over human behavior . . . since self-control and denial of self were not even concepts . . . except for the primitive idea of "sacrifice" to God. In fact . . . the available conceptual constructs of early humankind simply had nothing remotely adequate for understanding God . . . inspired or not. Any inspirations had to be translated into the available cognitive constructs . . . which were virtually non-existent.
You have no idea how many religions i have studied or christian doctrines i have studied.......The Truth is there in the Haystack......Sometimes i think you folks care more about one-uping each other with quotes instead of systematically breaking down scripture....did any of you know that the 4 Gospels were only 4 of over 300 gospels that were collected from the early churches and that after only those 4 were included in the Bible? Have you read in the OT concerning the rebellious of the Jews from Egypt, that God said that they would NEVER enter MY rest......Then where were they to go, if not into God's rest? And if all will be reconciled to Him, hey, and all, means all...that includes Satan and the fallen Angels.....And for what purpose in the lake of fire?....Someone on here said that you twist words....i am starting to see that i think.......
Who cares how many religions you claim to have studied , if you studied the religion of Calvinism(because Calvinism is a man made religion) in more depth you will see it's full of holes and contradictions.
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ἀπόλλυμι
apollumi
ap-ol'-loo-mee
From G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively: - destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
Looks pretty Eternal to me...........
To use your own obnoxious statement you like to use"You do not know what you are talking about"
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
Destroyed for 3 days does not sound eternal to me.
They were ignorant primitives taught orally through the centuries by even more ignorant savages who had no conception of God other than as an external source of control over human behavior . . . since self-control and denial of self were not even concepts . . . except for the primitive idea of "sacrifice" to God. In fact . . . the available conceptual constructs of early humankind simply had nothing remotely adequate for understanding God . . . inspired or not. Any inspirations had to be translated into the available cognitive constructs . . . which were virtually non-existent.
You sound like an archealogist or anthropologist...
You have no idea how many religions i have studied or christian doctrines i have studied.......The Truth is there in the Haystack......Sometimes i think you folks care more about one-uping each other with quotes instead of systematically breaking down scripture....did any of you know that the 4 Gospels were only 4 of over 300 gospels that were collected from the early churches and that after only those 4 were included in the Bible? Have you read in the OT concerning the rebellious of the Jews from Egypt, that God said that they would NEVER enter MY rest......Then where were they to go, if not into God's rest? And if all will be reconciled to Him, hey, and all, means all...that includes Satan and the fallen Angels.....And for what purpose in the lake of fire?....Someone on here said that you twist words....i am starting to see that i think.......
Regarding "NEVER enter MY rest", are you talking about this?:
Psalm 95:10 "For forty years I loathed that generation,
And said they are a people who err in their heart,
And they do not know My ways.
11"Therefore I swore in My anger,
Truly they shall not enter into My rest."
It doesn't say they will NEVER enter His rest. It simply says that He swore they would not enter into His rest. That does not imply any finality. Where did they go? Into the desert for 40 years. In context you can see it is relating to the 40 years of wandering in the desert. That is where they were when they weren't in His rest.
Will Satan and the fallen angels be reconciled? I think it is possible, but I don't really know. If Satan is indeed reconciled, he will no longer be Satan when the reconciliation is done, that is for sure. Part of the reconciliation is destroying the wickedness and destroying the sinful nature.
There are volumes of study and scriptural analysis there. But the short answer is the lake of fire is for divine purification. The lake of fire is spiritual fire. Spiritual fire judges the man by His works. It burns up the works of straw and wood, and purifies the gold and silver.
The purpose for it all (life, the universe, everything)
Ecc 1:13 “It is an experience of evil Elohim [God] has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it”
The purpose for this whole life is for us to experience evil and to learn goodness. God will have saved us from sin, evil, and death, when we have learned how to be good and how to love. He will have finally saved us when we are in the perfect image of God - which is love. That's the reason for everything. So we can learn to LOVE. And God will ensure His plan does not fail, for it is not in us that we can "do" anything, it is only God working through us that we will learn this.
God is not saving us from a mythical hell. If you believe that is the purpose for this life - simply to figure out if you are going to heaven or not, and this somehow glorifies God, then you have missed the boat.
But God will rectify that eventually. What will be truly glorious is when God is ultimately all in all, and has reconciled all things to Himself, and all things are finally in His image - which is LOVE.
You obviously haven't studied Clement of Alexandria, or Origen both of which were Native Greek speaking men. And origin was in fact a linguistic scholar among the greatest of his times. And they both wroth about the meaning of the Greek words aionios and kolasis and the meanings many other words wrongly translated in the Latin and English which are associated with Gods final judgment over sinners. In specific they wrote about how aionios does not mean everlasting or eternal, and kolasis means correction or remedial discipline ...
I'd like to find out how the Hebrew Christians in the early church believed.....Because before christianity the Greeks were into a lot of mystery religions..........
Mike, i never said that he was ... If you read my first post i made not of the fact he was from Rome and was not a native Greek speaking Christian, but was a Native Latin speaking Christian, and i mentioned that the only seminary in early Christendom was the one in Carthage Rome, which also happened to be eht Pagan Capital of the world at the time, so it is no wonder he believed in eternal torment.
And i said that Justin Martyr was most likely a believer in annihilation or what is otherwise known as conditional mortality and not in eternal torment, and he was a native Latin speaking Christian who like clement of rome did not read or speak koine Greek. When you quote him saying eternal condemnation, what you are not understanding is that he understood that to me being for ever annihilated and not tortured in fire for ever.
Well, greek was the lingua franca of the then known world.....
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