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The main premise of Et'ers is man chooses to reject God, man chooses Hell. This itself is flawed.
So if God and God alone is responsible for our salvation, why would He save some and cast others to the lake of fire forever and ever if He is no respector of persons?
"There is a valid reason why salvation is of THE LORD. It could not be otherwise! Man did not even choose to be. It was God who said, “Let us make man.” It was God that placed man in Eden. It was God who arranged all the circumstances and choices in Eden. It was God who planted the tree of life, but it was also God who planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil! It was God who created the serpent, and drew him into the Garden. It was God who placed man under the law “Thou shalt not eat of it.” When man sinned, it was God that drove him out from the Garden! “According to the purpose of Him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of His own will.” I have no intention of detracting one iota from the awfulness of man’s sin, and the absolute horribleness of the transgression is evidenced in all the sorrow and tragedy which have plagued mankind for lo, these six dark and frightful millenniums. Although man sinned, was it not GOD WHO DROVE MAN OUT OF THE GARDEN AND SHUT HIM UP FROM LIFE? “And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden” (Gen. 3:22-23).
This is why salvation MUST BE OF THE LORD! Since God drove man from the Garden, from life, it can only be GOD HIMSELF who opens up the way for man to enter back into Eden to be made a partaker of the divine life! No man may dare approach unto that blessed Domain to either enter or put forth his hand to take of the tree of life, for to do so would be presumption of the grossest kind. How true the words uttered by Jesus: “No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me DRAW HIM” (Jn. 6:44). Again, “And I, if I be lifted up (on the cross) from the earth, will draw all men unto me” (Jn. 12:32).
Yes very good point Zero 7, and good site by J. Preston Eby.
The reason no one responds is that most here don't actually believe salvation is completely of God. They believe man has the ultimate veto power in their own fate, thus they can say "it is yourownfault if you end up in hell". But then they also could say it is to theirowncredit that they are saved.
Salvation is a COMPLETE work of God, so none can boast.
Hebrews 10:29 "How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?"
Willfully turning of one's life over to sin after coming to Christ and taking on His name is "sin unto death" (1 John 5:16). Why? Because "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins" (Heb 10:26). God's judgment is merciless for such a person (Hebrews 10:26-31). Prayers are futile and also show a lack of belief in what God says concerning such a person's life. It is impossible for them to ever repent (Heb 6:4-6).
John says in 1 John 5:16 "If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that."
Yes very good point Zero 7, and good site by J. Preston Eby.
The reason no one responds is that most here don't actually believe salvation is completely of God. They believe man has the ultimate veto power in their own fate, thus they can say "it is yourownfault if you end up in hell". But then they also could say it is to theirowncredit that they are saved.
Salvation is a COMPLETE work of God, so none can boast.
What do you think about this verse in 2 Peter 2:12-13 "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you."
You think these false teachers or "brute beasts" will be reconciled? What does the scripture say?
What do you think about this verse in 2 Peter 2:12-13 "But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you."
You think these false teachers or "brute beasts" will be reconciled? What does the scripture say?
(NIV) 2 Corinthians 5:
13 If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
(NIV) 2 Corinthians 5:
13 If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. 14 For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. 15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: 19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
He wrote this letter to the church in Corinth. He is talking to believers.
He wrote this letter to the church in Corinth. He is talking to believers.
Sure. He is telling believers that He will reconcile the world in Christ, and is not counting men's sin against them.
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