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Originally Posted by savedbysovereigngrace
alabama:
No lets not start over, I said what I have said..
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All right, we'll leave that part well enough alone...
If I might, I think what you're really trying to say is that imputed righteousness is objective justification, and imparted righteousness (of which there is really no such thing) is subjective justification. If that is what you mean to say, we agree in concept, but not in language. I say in concept because the scriptural terms and meanings you're employing are really not correct.
The idea in scripture is that in our justification (the Greek word is δικαιουντα and literally means: to "
declare righteous") a forensic declaration by God
is made upon the sinner who is acquitted by Christ. The
declaration is always objective upon the one to whom the declaration is made.
This
"declaration of righteous" (Christ's own righteousness) is
made to us in the resurrection of Christ.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is
made unto us wisdom, and
righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up because of our offences, and
was raised up because of our being declared righteous.
I've used a literal translation of Rom 4:25 ^^^ taken from the YLT version, to help clarify this.
Those verses above speak of our
objective justification. The "declaration of righteous" that was pronounced by God, in the resurrection of Christ.
Now, up to this point, nothing as yet has been imputed to the sinners account, only
the verdict by the Judge who pronounced: "Declared Righteous". That declaration being the forensic finding of God that
we are declared righteous based upon Christ's own righteousness of faith, the
faithfulness of Christ's sinless life and going to the cross to die for our sins.
When we believe that pronouncement of God's "declaration of righteous" (our objective justification), we are
imputed subjectively so with that declaration. We've always had the declaration objectively, but it now (in time) becomes
imputed subjectively to our account, through the gift of faith. The objective declaration becoming a subjective reality that brings with it
the knowledge of our reconciliation to God.
Do you see that? If this is what you're saying, or trying to say, we agree
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