Why Cincinnati public transit sucks? (Cleveland, Hamilton: mortgage, calculated, salary)

[kjbrill]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

Hi TomJones123--

Try, try again. It's amazing what a quick Google search can show

Unite city, county governments... now
Merge city, county government
Greg Hartmann will push for merger initiative

The city of Cincinnati needs to keep its hands off suburban tax dollars.



And remember, if you live in a larger city, the city is wasting your tax dollars. It's proven that the larger the city, the more it costs per capita. And guess what - all those miscellaneous suburban townships and holes in the wall do just fine in providing services that their residents want.

Sorry I cannot give you more notice. I just saw another article today saying the township form of government was the most efficient in the US. That sure as Hell is not big city.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

Hi TomJones123--

Try, try again. It's amazing what a quick Google search can show

Unite city, county governments... now
Merge city, county government
Greg Hartmann will push for merger initiative

Did you really just cite an article filed under opinion, a letter to the editor, and a frustrated Hamilton county commissioner? That hardly proves any serious initiative to merge local governments into a unigov. It's amazing what following your lame shill links can show.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

And guess what - all those miscellaneous suburban townships and holes in the wall do just fine in providing services that their residents want.

Good for them. I have an idea. Why don't move to one of those hole in the wall places you like so much and leave those of us who like living in the city alone. But, like others on this forum, you just can't do that. You have to have some sort of negative comparison to prove how great your crappy little suburbs are. If they are that great they would stand on their own.

[hensleya1]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Good for them. I have an idea. Why don't move to one of those hole in the wall places you like so much and leave those of us who like living in the city alone. But, like others on this forum, you just can't do that. You have to have some sort of negative comparison to prove how great your crappy little suburbs are. If they are that great they would stand on their own.

Hi TomJones123--

I would be perfectly content with that. I'm sure many suburbanites would be, too.

But people like you keep coming for our tax dollars.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

But people like you keep coming for our tax dollars.

This is probably the dumbest thing I have seen you post. BTW - do you ever get away from your young Republican talking points?

[hensleya1]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

This is probably the dumbest thing I have seen you post. BTW - do you ever get away from your young Republican talking points?

Hi TomJones123--

If it appears dumb to you, it's the truth. I can go on and on about how the majority of people (and a massive majority of the tax dollars) in Ohio live in the suburbs. City councils and their boosters across the state look for ways to get their hands on that money, incensed that those people dare leave in the first place.

Making Suburban Taxpayers Prop Up Failing Cities

By 2007, the Cleveland Plain Dealer was touting Minnesota-style tax sharing, while suggesting that the humble “metropolitan planning organizations” (MPOs) that have long divvied out federal transportation funding might be converted into Portland-style regional planning commissions with the power to block suburban development. With these changes, Cleveland’s regionalists aimed either to prevent would-be suburbanites from moving out of the city or to capture a chunk of tax money from suburbanites who had already left.

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Outraged board members from outlying counties felt strong-armed by Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs of Cuyahoga County. Avon mayor Jim Smith said his supposedly voluntary agreement to “share” the town’s taxes with Cleveland felt more like the action of a hostage with a gun at his head. Cleveland’s regionalists, on the other hand, were delighted. They saw the Avon deal as a first big step for their ambitious new agenda to seize effective political and economic control of area suburbs.

And just for the record, I'm not a Republican. I am an independent who split my ballot in 2008 and will likely do so again. So, deride them as talking points all you want. But I've heard that cognitive dissonance is an unpleasant thing, and people tend to get defensive and attack the speaker when that happens.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

Hi TomJones123--

If it appears dumb to you, it's the truth. I can go on and on about how the majority of people (and a massive majority of the tax dollars) in Ohio live in the suburbs. City councils and their boosters across the state look for ways to get their hands on that money, incensed that those people dare leave in the first place.

Making Suburban Taxpayers Prop Up Failing Cities

You just gave me a very compelling set of reasons to vote for Obama!

[hensleya1]

Hi TomJones123--

So, you freely admit that you support redirecting suburban tax dollars into cities?

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

Hi TomJones123--

So, you freely admit that you support redirecting suburban tax dollars into cities?

Why of course.

[t45209]

Originally Posted by hensleya1

Hi TomJones123--

So, you freely admit that you support redirecting suburban tax dollars into cities?

You really think it wouldn't be a two way street? I have a feeling that if we had a regional government, I'd be paying the sewer installation bill for those poor saps on the western edge of Hamilton County who are being forced to give up their septic systems.