Commuting in the Cincinnati metro area. (Dayton, Warren: neighborhood, park, population)

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

^No, because it defined by commuting patterns not county boundaries. If that was the case Dayton could stake claim to Butler and Warren counties.

No, these CSAs/MSAs are determined by commuting patterns AND county boundaries. First of all, the reason that Butler and Warren counties aren't part of the Dayton metro area is because more of the workers commute to Cincinnati than Dayton. Second of all, if Dayton was in an adjacent county to Hamilton County, it would already be part of the Cincinnati CSA and/or MSA, even at 55 miles away.

[Zen_master]

Originally Posted by Wahl_Wrighter

Hamilton County, Ohio leads the nation for commuters coming from another county, topping the list at 40 percent. Considering how much and how quickly traffic peaks and drops off during morning and evening rush, this isn't surprising to me.

40% of Hamilton Co. workers live elsewhere | Cincinnati.com | cincinnati.com

Thanks for the data. I guess this explains why Cincy traffic is so bad. As a student at UC there were more than a couple times where I was leaving campus for holidays etc. and had the misfortune of heading up I-71 around 5 o'clock. There are few times I can remember being so annoyed by something as driving I-71 during rush hour. They desperately need an extra lane or something.

I have a friend who lives in the Miami Twp area but whose employer is at 7th and Walnut. She doesn't even bother with I-71 instead opting to take I-275 all the way down into Kentucky and jumping on 471 north.

[13th Alphabet]

Originally Posted by Zen_master

Thanks for the data. I guess this explains why Cincy traffic is so bad. As a student at UC there were more than a couple times where I was leaving campus for holidays etc. and had the misfortune of heading up I-71 around 5 o'clock. There are few times I can remember being so annoyed by something as driving I-71 during rush hour. They desperately need an extra lane or something.

I have a friend who lives in the Miami Twp area but whose employer is at 7th and Walnut. She doesn't even bother with I-71 instead opting to take I-275 all the way down into Kentucky and jumping on 471 north.

The bad thing is, I-71 is pretty much a cakewalk compared to I-75; relatively speaking of course. And holiday traffic on 75 is a big headache, especially heading south from Hopple to pretty much all the way down through Florence. Traffic is already bad enough during rush hour on 75 and 71/75 in KY on a typical weekday, and the holidays only exacerbates it.

[pontiac51]

It looks like Daytonnati is not going to happen this year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf

And when you see what was added to the Cleveland CSA and the Columbus CSA/MSA, it's quite obvious to me that SW Ohio got screwed!!!

[Zen_master]

Originally Posted by pontiac51

It looks like Daytonnati is not going to happen this year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...013/b13-01.pdf

And when you see what was added to the Cleveland CSA and the Columbus CSA/MSA, it's quite obvious to me that SW Ohio got screwed!!!

Just curious what you mean by "was added" and if you can elaborate on how SW Ohio got the shaft?

[pontiac51]

Originally Posted by Zen_master

Just curious what you mean by "was added" and if you can elaborate on how SW Ohio got the shaft?

The Cleveland area added Canton's MSA, New Philly, Sandusky, and Norwalk to its' CSA.

The Columbus area added 2 or 3 counties to its' MSA and Zanesville, Cambridge and Bellefontaine to its' CSA.

The Cincinnati area only added Maysville KY to its' CSA, while many thought Dayton/Springfield would be added.

As a result, the Cleveland CSA now has 3.5 million people, and the Columbus CSA is now slightly larger than the Cincinnati CSA.

My point is that given what was done to the Cleveland and Columbus areas, and other regions across the country, Cincinnati and Dayton should have merged!!

[unusualfire]

Metro square miles.

Cleveland MSA 1996 sq
Akron MSA 900 sq
Canton MSA 970 sq
Cleveland-Akron-Canton CSA 5880 sq including the micro area's.

Columbus MSA 4796 sq
Columbus CSA 8465 sq

Cincinnati MSA 4242 sq
Cincinnati CSA 4892 sq

Indianapolis MSA 4306 sq
Indianapolis CSA 7261 sq

Portland MSA 6684 sq
Portland CSA 12716 sq

Dayton MSA 1283 sq
Dayton CSA 3115 sq

[ProkNo5]

It's now obvious to me how completely irrelevant CSAs really are. Zanesville is a part of Columbus!?! Whatever.

[jjakucyk]

Why all the talk about Butler and Warren Counties when the main reason for such skewed numbers is Kentucky? If it weren't for the state border running right next to downtown, Cincinnati itself would have a population of 400,000 people by including Covington, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow and probably significant parts of Ft. Thomas, Park Hills, and other NKY communities within the city limits.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by jjakucyk

Why all the talk about Butler and Warren Counties when the main reason for such skewed numbers is Kentucky? If it weren't for the state border running right next to downtown, Cincinnati itself would have a population of 400,000 people by including Covington, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton, Ludlow and probably significant parts of Ft. Thomas, Park Hills, and other NKY communities within the city limits.

Careful now, common sense is not tolerated on these forums.