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That’s true, however, that’s also because Harlem was commercialized. I mean, until recently, most people didn’t know about Black Wall Street.
If we’re being honest, and I’m including in this, we have been bamboozled with regard to Harlem’s history because the height of Harlem was during a time when Black performers were playing for White only audiences. That’s enough grounds for disqualification from this discussion.
Which one? There are multiple places that took on that title besides the Greenwood neighborhood in Tulsa OK. Parrish Street in Durham NC took on that nickname as well. So, did Jackson Ward in Richmond VA. Let alone other business districts.
Which one? There are multiple places that took on that title besides the Greenwood neighborhood in Tulsa OK. Parrish Street in Durham NC took on that nickname as well. So, did Jackson Ward in Richmond VA. Let alone other business districts.
Either of them. It wasn’t celebrated like it is nationally until today. That is what I meant by Harlem being commercialized.
That’s true, however, that’s also because Harlem was commercialized. I mean, until recently, most people didn’t know about Black Wall Street.
Every neighborhood with rich African American history was commercialized though.
Harlem is notable primarily for cultural and institutional reasons IMO. The Harlem Renaissance, the Harlem Globetrotters, the Harlem Boys Choir, the Schomburg Center, the Apollo, the historic churches, the plethora of famous persons who hail from the neighborhood, etc.
If we’re being honest, and I’m including in this, we have been bamboozled with regard to Harlem’s history because the height of Harlem was during a time when Black performers were playing for White only audiences. That’s enough grounds for disqualification from this discussion.
The lengths you'll go to whenever you need DC to "win" so badly never quite cease to amaze me.
That’s true, however, that’s also because Harlem was commercialized. I mean, until recently, most people didn’t know about Black Wall Street.
If we’re being honest, and I’m including in this, we have been bamboozled with regard to Harlem’s history because the height of Harlem was during a time when Black performers were playing for White only audiences. That’s enough grounds for disqualification from this discussion.
What? And you do realize the Harlem Renaissance was more than just Black musicians? It was literally the peak of Black culture in America at that time expanding way past music. We're talking literature, religion, fashion, politics. etc.
The lengths you'll go to whenever you need DC to "win" so badly never quite cease to amaze me.
Who is talking about DC? I’m talking Brooklyn. You guys are so pressed that even when DC isn’t mentioned you bring it up. Have you even read what I said earlier about 1880-1930?
What? And you do realize the Harlem Renaissance was more than just Black musicians? It was literally the peak of Black culture in America at that time expanding way past music. We're talking literature, religion, fashion, politics. etc.
But hey it's all about D.C.
I absolutely agree with that. I just never knew that those spaces were White only during the 1920s at it’s height. When I think of the Harlem Renaissance, I think about Black people walking the streets of Harlem going out to see shows and listen to music.
I know you’re new to this thread, but I posted this on October 7, 2022 close to a month ago. That is how this discussion started.
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar
What I’ve learned about NYC is that there were places Black people could perform including in Harlem in the early 20th century, but those theaters served white audiences. Black people weren’t allowed in the theaters in Harlem till the 1930’s. Just like with Boston, where did Black people go for theater from 1900-1930? They had to have some place to go. Do you have any information about venues for Black people in NYC during that time prior to 1930?
a minister, educator, writer, and one of America's most active and influential Black leaders. In 1794, he founded the African Methodist Episcopal Church (AME), the first independent Black denomination in the United States.
He was born into slavery on February 14, 1760, on the Delaware property of Benjamin Chew. When he was a child, Allen and his family were sold to Stokley Sturgis, who had a plantation. Because of financial problems he sold Richard's mother and two of his five siblings. Allen had an older brother and sister left with him and the three began to attend meetings of the local Methodist Society, which was welcoming to enslaved and free Black people.
Allen was qualified as a preacher and admitted in December 1784 at the famous "Christmas Conference", the founding and considered to be the first General Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church in North America.
an educator, intellectual, and civil rights activist in Philadelphia. He became principal of male students at the Institute for Colored Youth, the first African American High School in the US, where he had also been educated. Born free in Charleston, South Carolina, in a prominent mixed-race family, he moved north as a boy with his family. After completing his education, he went into teaching, and becoming active in civil rights. He also became known as a top cricket and baseball player in 19th-century Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. A Republican, he was shot and killed in election-day violence in Philadelphia, where ethnic Irish of the Democratic Party, which was anti-Reconstruction and had opposed black suffrage, attacked black men to prevent their voting for Republican candidates.
Du Bois accepted a one-year research job from the University of Pennsylvania as an "assistant in sociology" in the summer of 1896.[35] He performed sociological field research in Philadelphia's African-American neighborhoods, which formed the foundation for his landmark study, The Philadelphia Negro, published in 1899 while he was teaching at Atlanta University. It was the first case study of a black community in the United States.[36] Among his Philadelphia consultants on the project was William Henry Dorsey, an artist who collected documents, paintings and artifact pertaining to Black history. Dorsey compiled hundreds of scrapbooks on the lives of Black people during the 18th century and built a collection that he laid out in his home in Philadelphia. DuBois used the scrapbooks in his research. By the 1890s, Philadelphia's black neighborhoods had a negative reputation in terms of crime, poverty, and mortality. Du Bois's book undermined the stereotypes with empirical evidence and shaped his approach to segregation and its negative impact on black lives and reputations. The results led him to realize that racial integration was the key to democratic equality in American cities.[37] The methodology employed in The Philadelphia Negro, namely the description and the mapping of social characteristics onto neighborhood areas was a forerunner to the studies under the Chicago School of Sociology.[38]
By the 1890s, Philadelphia's black neighborhoods had a negative reputation in terms of crime, poverty, and mortality. Du Bois's book undermined the stereotypes with empirical evidence and shaped his approach to segregation and its negative impact on black lives and reputations. The results led him to realize that racial integration was the key to democratic equality in American cities.[37]
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"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."
Those who argue and act as though we Blacks are no better off now than we were immediately after emancipation are, of course, spouting nonsense, but sometimes, one can't help but think whether there isn't some deeper truth informing their misinformed statements.
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