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View Poll Results: Which one do you prefer most?
Oakland 40 43.01%
Omaha 35 37.63%
Orlando 27 29.03%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 93. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-08-2010, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Looks a bit run down and gritty
Well yes, Downtown Oakland has grit. There's no getting around that. But I am happy to report that the last decade has seen amazing improvements to the city core and I expect things to only get better. To be honest, if having grit is the price we have to pay in order to get some of that excellent old architecture, then I think its a small price to pay.

In the meantime, we'll just have to make do with our gritty but very interesting downtown:


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http://paintmywagon.com/cma/images/mixeduse.jpg (broken link)
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Downtown Oakland also has subway stations running underneath its main street

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lack of green.
Well considering the density of Downtown Oakland, I can forgive the relative lack of trees.

http://www.slab-mag.com/wp-content/u...wn-oakland.jpg

however Lakeside Park right next to Downtown is a lovely escape and countless office workers circle Lake Merritt for their lunchbreak.

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Thats why I like Orlandos downtown, its very clean, up-tp-date and has a lot of green, parks, etc.
Yes I like it too.

But I still would rather live in Downtown Oakland.
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:58 PM
 
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Show the pics of Oakland's ghetto! (80% of Oakland is ghetto)
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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As far as a defense for Omaha, it is smaller. That could actually be an advantage. Probably less crime, less traffic, less congestion, these are things some people actually like. Its known for its steaks, if you're steak person that is. It's econnomy seems to be doing pretty well, even in this economic downturn. I say smaller may be better for Omaha. A Lamborghini may be faster than a Yaris, but on one gallon a Yaris will take you further.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Show the pics of Oakland's ghetto! (80% of Oakland is ghetto)

As soon as you show the pics of Orlando's... and saying 80% of Oakland is ghetto is about as accurate as saying SF doesn't have any. Even if you generalized all of east and west oakland and the NW end of North Oakland as being "the ghetto", that only accounts for 140,000 people of the 430,000 total. Where do the other 290,000 live? In Piedmont?


A far more accurate (although still not entirely correct) generalization of Oakland is that anything above MacArthur Blvd and East of Broadway Ave is middle class and above. That's considerably more than half of the city. And when one realizes that not everything on the other side of 580 is ghetto, its more like 65% of Oakland is middle-upper class and 35% is lower class. Lower class doesn't always mean ghetto either... for the purposes of this thread, though, I won't go into that. Let's check my math with that 140,000 figure I mentioned earlier... .35 x 430,000 = 150,500... sounds about right.


But since you wanted the pics of Oakland ghettos, you'll get some of my own.


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^That last pic and all of the others are right in the middle of West Oakland. Let's compare to what comes up when I search Orlando ghetto...
















Orlando looks like a countryfied, reclaimed-by-nature version of EPA and thats not a good look.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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It was a joke. Hence the

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Old 11-08-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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Conversely, here's what the other 65% of Oakland looks like:

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^All of these pics are of East Oakland neighborhoods right above MacArthur (one of which I live in)... I haven't even gotten to the hills and North Oakland yet, not to mention Cleveland Heights and Maxwell Park which are both middle-class east oakland neighborhoods below MacArthur Blvd.

Where's the proverbial "65%" of Orlando?
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:49 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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It was a joke. Hence the


Lol yea I know; the problem is a good 50% of the people who look over this thread won't realize that because Oakland does get that kind of rep.
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:40 PM
 
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Is it just me or is the media REALLY hard on Oakland. I gotta admit, I never even gave that city a chance, because I always though it was synonymous with crime and poverty--but after actually looking into it, there's certainly much much more to the city than just that.
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Old 11-09-2010, 12:06 AM
 
Location: The Bay
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Is it just me or is the media REALLY hard on Oakland. I gotta admit, I never even gave that city a chance, because I always though it was synonymous with crime and poverty--but after actually looking into it, there's certainly much much more to the city than just that.

The problem is that SF would lose tourist dollars if people found out that SF isn't a rosy paradise and Oakland isn't a Mad Max set. SF literally has a vested interest in making Oakland sound like ****, which is why their newspapers over publicize crime in Oakland and all but ignore crime in SF even when the crime is more severe. Most people are shocked when they find out that SF has a higher per capita crime rate than LA.
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Old 11-09-2010, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Lol yea I know; the problem is a good 50% of the people who look over this thread won't realize that because Oakland does get that kind of rep.
LOL...well as you stated Bay Area media really puts Oakland through the ringer, sensationalizing much of the crime news about the city. If I werent so intimately knowledgable of the place, I would probably feel the same way about Oakland that most outsiders do because of what the media reports.
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