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Old 05-16-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Originally Posted by DC's Finest View Post
But Metro crushes Septa and MBTA for ridership combined.
1. In terms of overall ridership (Subway, Light Rail, Commuter Rail):

Washington DC: 976,300
Boston: 841,200
Philadelphia: 570,600

So the Boston/Philly combo would be 1,411,800...and the difference between DC and Boston really isn't enormous.

2. We were talking about maps, so who cares about ridership? It doesn't matter how many people pack onto a mass transit system if there isn't sufficient coverage. This is an area where MBTA and Septa are superior to the Metro.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:30 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The PATH is a connector system , with a strong Jersey Centric Ridership base. It is a Subway , but parts share with Regional Rail so it is classified as a Railroad.
As for the MBTA and SEPTA vs DC Metro , Both the Septa and MBTA have expansion plans and both systems should surpass the Metros ridership by 2030 if all goes according to plan.







Top 6 systems by 2030...Muti modal systems

1. Long Island Railroad
Daily Ridership : 341,000 (Projected 2030 Daily Ridership : 510,000+)


2. New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO Rail operations
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 301,000 / Light Rail : 72,000 / Heavy Rail : 290,000
(Projected 2030 Ridership > Regional Rail : 467,000 / Light Rail : 382,000 / Heavy Rail : 420,000)


3. Metro North
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 297,000
(Projected 2030 Regional Rail Ridership : 465,000
/ Light Rail : 105,000)


4. MBTA
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 190,000 / Light Rail : 237,000 / Heavy Rail : 427,000
(Projected 2030 Regional Rail Ridership : 460,000
/ Light Rail : 523,000 / Heavy Rail : 505,000)


5. Septa
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 182,000 / Light Rail : 100,000 / Heavy Rail : 355,000
(Projected 2030 Regional Rail Ridership : 380,000 / Light Rail : 460,000 / Heavy Rail : 590,000)

6. Connecticut State Rail
Daily Ridership Regional Rail : 125,000
(Projected 2030 Regional Rail Ridership : 342,000 / Light Rail / Streetcar : 210,000)

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Old 05-16-2011, 01:31 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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1. In terms of overall ridership (Subway, Light Rail, Commuter Rail):

Washington DC: 976,300
Boston: 841,200
Philadelphia: 570,600

So the Boston/Philly combo would be 1,411,800...and the difference between DC and Boston really isn't enormous.

2. We were talking about maps, so who cares about ridership? It doesn't matter how many people pack onto a mass transit system if there isn't sufficient coverage.
Actually DC Metro ridership was inflated , it sits at 550,000....not near a million.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Denver
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Actually DC Metro ridership was inflated , it sits at 550,000....not near a million.
Say what? How would an error that large occur? Do you have a source to show us?
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Notice how far our commuter rail lines go.
-DC to West Virginia
-DC to Perryville, MD via Baltimore
-DC to Fredericksburg, VA

Those are some pretty far places.
Commuter rail stations in Boston and Philly are too close together which means the trains are slower.
Our system, however have station that are far apart thus reaching far areas in less time.
There system allows for connections to there Urban System , and most stations are placed 1-2 miles apart. They also have Express Trains that bypass most of the closed placed stations.....your systems are not as busy or have that decent amount of trains like the T and Septa have.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:46 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Say what? How would an error that large occur? Do you have a source to show us?
There are 2 different numbers , one is by the Metro and one is by APTA which collects data on all systems.... Metro spikes there reports to near 1 million , but the truth is its more like 550,000-600,000.... If you factor in the Metrobus its a Million.
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: The City
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There are 2 different numbers , one is by the Metro and one is by APTA which collects data on all systems.... Metro spikes there reports to near 1 million , but the truth is its more like 550,000-600,000.... If you factor in the Metrobus its a Million.

I honestly recall reading the APTA report that had the heavy rail ridership for the metro at ~1million
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I honestly recall reading the APTA report that had the heavy rail ridership for the metro at ~1million
That was during the Summer and 3rd Quarter....it seems to spike in the Warmer months...
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: The City
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That was during the Summer and 3rd Quarter....it seems to spike in the Warmer months...

Still that differnce would be an awful lot of tourists to make up for that differential.

Regardless the Metro is truly a very very good and efficient system. As a defender of Septa am sure a similar system would have increased ridership over Septa in the Philly area but that is neither here nor there.

Though based on the size of the system and number of employees it currently serves the number seemed a tad high but then again the 550 number would seem low to me FWIW
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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There are 2 different numbers , one is by the Metro and one is by APTA which collects data on all systems.... Metro spikes there reports to near 1 million , but the truth is its more like 550,000-600,000.... If you factor in the Metrobus its a Million.
Can someone FAIL any worse than this guy?

(PS...for everyone here that wonders if people are telling the truth on this site about transit ridership...you can find any year and any quarter by changing it in the address bar in the links I provided! Enjoy!)


APTA= DC Metro Heavy Rail ridership 928,100 Q4 2010
http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship_APTA.pdf

APTA= DC Metro Heavy Rail ridership 996,200 Q3 2010
http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship_APTA.pdf

APTA= DC Metro Heavy Rail ridership 1,044,400 Q2 2010
http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship_APTA.pdf

APTA= DC Metro Heavy Rail ridership 919,300 Q1 2010
http://www.apta.com/resources/statis...rship_APTA.pdf
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