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Old 02-19-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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If you put quality of life, architecture, night life, art & culture, world status, food & drink all together for comparison then New York & Chicago overshadow LA .. and the experts from around the world agree.

The world's greatest city? - Time Out Travel
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Old 02-19-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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If you put quality of life, architecture, night life, art & culture, world status, food & drink all together for comparison then New York & Chicago overshadow LA .. and the experts from around the world agree.

The world's greatest city? - Time Out Travel
Huh? Chicago does not by any means overshadow L.A. in terms of world status, culture, night life, or really any of the categories you mentioned.

That aside, I want to point out that I think people are seriously misusing the word "overshadow".

To me, the word overshadow implies that two cities (or two aspects of cities) are in direct competition with each other and that one is being significantly overshadowed by the other. For example, it would be appropriate to say that New York significantly overshadows Philadelphia, because they are in the same region and are in direct (either real or perceived) competition/rivalry.

But saying something like Chicago's architecture "overshadows" L.A.'s architecture is dumb for several reasons:

1. How can two city's "architecture" compete?
2. Chicago and L.A.'s architecture exist completely independent of one another and are totally unrelated. Therefore, even if there was such a thing as an architectural competition, Chicago and L.A. would not be competing.

If Miami has better beaches than L.A., does that automatically mean Miami's beaches "overshadow" L.A.'s? I wouldn't say so, because both city's beaches exist completely independently of one another.

The only category I can think of where Chicago and L.A. would really "compete", and therefore where the use of the word overshadow is appropriate, would be in terms of international name recognition. And we all know that L.A. does a little more than "overshadow" Chicago in this category
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Old 02-19-2010, 09:22 PM
 
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^^ Good Point.

Chicago did invent the near future of music though in House. It's coming back around and you'll see the dance craze growing later in the year.

In the beginning there was Jack!...and Jack had a groove...
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Huh? Chicago does not by any means overshadow L.A. in terms of world status, culture, night life, or really any of the categories you mentioned.

That aside, I want to point out that I think people are seriously misusing the word "overshadow".

To me, the word overshadow implies that two cities (or two aspects of cities) are in direct competition with each other and that one is being significantly overshadowed by the other. For example, it would be appropriate to say that New York significantly overshadows Philadelphia, because they are in the same region and are in direct (either real or perceived) competition/rivalry.

But saying something like Chicago's architecture "overshadows" L.A.'s architecture is dumb for several reasons:

1. How can two city's "architecture" compete?
2. Chicago and L.A.'s architecture exist completely independent of one another and are totally unrelated. Therefore, even if there was such a thing as an architectural competition, Chicago and L.A. would not be competing.

If Miami has better beaches than L.A., does that automatically mean Miami's beaches "overshadow" L.A.'s? I wouldn't say so, because both city's beaches exist completely independently of one another.

The only category I can think of where Chicago and L.A. would really "compete", and therefore where the use of the word overshadow is appropriate, would be in terms of international name recognition. And we all know that L.A. does a little more than "overshadow" Chicago in this category
It's easy to compare things. You compare because they are different. If they weren't, there would be nothing to compare.

And that's a no.
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:35 PM
 
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Not to be biased...but Chicago is underpriced, underappreciated, and a hidden gem to most Americans. It's avoided the draw of people hoping to live the life they see on "The Hills" or "The City" and has remained a low key spot that seems to only be truly known to actual Chicagoans.

I just see the city growing in the future. Hopefully it stays under the radar though because I would hate to see it lose its soul. When I see my favorite spots start to be overrun with "those" crowds that I try to avoid...it will be time to move on to greener pastures.
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Old 02-20-2010, 12:39 AM
 
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Chicago is great the way it is and I don't want people to move here from all over the country and raise rents & sterilize it like they did with Boston, SF, and much of NYC.
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Old 02-20-2010, 07:43 AM
 
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Chicago is great the way it is and I don't want people to move here from all over the country and raise rents & sterilize it like they did with Boston, SF, and much of NYC.
Chicago is no less "sterile" than Boston, SF, or NYC...Not by a long shot.
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Old 02-20-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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Chicago is no less "sterile" than Boston, SF, or NYC...Not by a long shot.
Never been out in Boston, but SF and NYC yes.

The thing about Chicago is there isn't this "image" that draws people to the city. People don't have a set way to dress, act, or behave. If you visit some of the underground House spots around the city you'll easily be able to point out whether people are potraying an image, or just being themselves.

There's a big difference. SF and NYC seem to draw the extremes where people are "trying" to be different. Tattoos, piercings, and bizarre clothes are used as badges of honor rather than self expression.
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Old 02-20-2010, 12:55 PM
 
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Chicago is no less "sterile" than Boston, SF, or NYC...Not by a long shot.
It's just hard to believe that someone is living on the fringes of society when they're paying $1,500 a month for rent. There are exceptions...but usually they're just that, exceptions.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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Never been out in Boston, but SF and NYC yes.

The thing about Chicago is there isn't this "image" that draws people to the city. People don't have a set way to dress, act, or behave. If you visit some of the underground House spots around the city you'll easily be able to point out whether people are potraying an image, or just being themselves.

There's a big difference. SF and NYC seem to draw the extremes where people are "trying" to be different. Tattoos, piercings, and bizarre clothes are used as badges of honor rather than self expression.
I disagree. I've been to all except SF. Chicago has a huge number of wannabes just like the others. It draws people from smaller towns and cities in the Midwest, and some from the coasts. It definitely has an 'image'...sort of the NYC (closest thing to it) of the Midwest.
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