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Poverty is not the only reason that Philly has a lower amount of Bachelor's degrees, get real. Oakland is about a full 12% higher than Philly and only has a 4% lower poverty rate.
And this was beyond that I wasn't even referencing the Temple part, I was referencing Philly's percent of people who hold a bachelor's degree.
Last edited by Nineties Flava; 10-11-2011 at 08:08 PM..
Poverty is not the only reason that Philly has a lower amount of Bachelor's degrees, get real. Oakland is about a full 12% higher than Philly and only has a 4% lower poverty rate.
And first off wasnt that the context of your post and response to a troll with a troll like link which actually poked fun at the program that is trying assist people in poverty.
Sounds much like the ivory tower socialist ideal so long as it doesnt impact me perspective. Then to laugh at it. And then the biggest rah rah bay homer to comes in and further laughs at poverty (while continually extolling diversity and importance there of banter). So refined bay asrea, so refined...
On your Oakland comparison, I believe it also skews significantly younger, Philly is changing city with many still decrepid and impoverished neighborhoods but also many older blue collar households. An examination of neighborhood by neighborhood would likely yield different results but trust me education among much of the city is a huge issue.
However in terms of Higher Education/Colleges (which based on my recollection and comprehension this thread is about) I am failing to understand the true context of the post, it is widely known that Philly has major poverty issues in areas of the city and also major issues in these same areas with HS drop out rates.
And first off wasnt that the context of your post and response to a troll with a troll like link which actually poked fun at the program that is trying assist people in poverty.
Sounds much like the ivory tower socialist ideal so long as it doesnt impact me perspective. Then to laugh at it. And then the biggest rah rah bay homer to comes in and further laughs at poverty (while continually extolling diversity and importance there of banter). So refined bay asrea, so refined...
On your Oakland comparison, I believe it also skews significantly younger, Philly is changing city with many still decrepid and impoverished neighborhoods but also many older blue collar households. An examination of neighborhood by neighborhood would likely yield different results but trust me education among much of the city is a huge issue.
However in terms of Higher Education/Colleges (which based on my recollection and comprehension this thread is about) I am failing to understand the true context of the post, it is widely known that Philly has major poverty issues in areas of the city and also major issues in these same areas with HS drop out rates.
Nope, I only referenced the part of the article I quoted, which is the census data.
Oakland has a higher percentage of upper income households and they greatly add to the city's educational attainment levels.
Shall we make fun of immigrants and homosexuality while we are at it... seems you didnt like those aspects in some earlier deliberations which I personally found distasteful when offered up in the dialouge which you rightfully responded to.
Agree on your last statement. Philly is becoming less a city of three different demographics leading to only two. The older working class is becoming smaller by the year (also largely non college educated) as is the percentage if higher income levels increaseing. The issues facing to many neighborhoods in Philly related to poverty and education (even basic education attainment of a HS diploma are extreme in certain areas of the city) yet much/most of the metro far exceeds national secondary education rates. Philly is still dealing with effects of an industrial economy and blighted neighborhoods, for the recors it has done better than the majority of cities with huge industrial complexes generated during the turn of last century. Much like many cites these aspects are cyclical. And also the core of the city is actually more educated that is either the core of SF or Oakland for that matter and comparable to your beloved Higher Income neighborhoods (though averaging less than SF on a per cap yet more educated, so what is the issue in the core of SF as it compares to the core of Philly - to me nothing but it is less educated, especially higher and post grad levels)
To Nineties, my earlier post on the demographics and the above points of Montcalir on income levels explain much of the disparity
Shall we make fun of immigrants and homosexuality while we are at it... seems you didnt like those aspects in some earlier deliberations which I personally found distasteful when offered up in the dialouge which you responded to.
Agree on your last statement. Philly is becoming more a city of three different demographics leading to only two. The older working class is becoming smaler by the year as is the percentage if higher income levels increaseing. The issues facing too many neighborhoods in Philly related to poverty and education (even basic education attainment of a HS diploma are extreme in certain areas of the city) yet much of the metro far exceeds national secondary education rates. Philly is still dealing with effects of an industrial economy and blighted neighborhoods, for the recors it has done better than the majority of cities with huge industrial complexes generated during the turn of last century. Much like many cites these aspects are cyclical.
To Nineties, my earlier post on the demographics and the above points of Montcalir on income levels explain much of the disparity
The real reason why there's so much education disparity in Philly is because a large percentage of the natives live in ghettoized neighborhoods that have been shut out from opportunity for 80+ years, which is exacerbated by the racial segregation that nobody likes to talk about but everybody knows is right there. The people left in these neighborhoods have all but been deserted by the rest of America. Same goes for Chicago, NYC, DC, etc... urban education in America - and especially in the older cities - is pretty awful.
The real reason why there's so much education disparity in Philly is because a large percentage of the natives live in ghettoized neighborhoods that have been shut out from opportunity for 80+ years, which is exacerbated by the racial segregation that nobody likes to talk about but everybody knows is right there. The people left in these neighborhoods have all but been deserted by the rest of America. Same goes for Chicago, NYC, DC, etc... urban education in America - and especially in the older cities - is pretty awful.
The good news is that Blacks across the country are earning college degrees thus leaving poverty at a good rate, and that is clearly documented in Census Bureau data looking back over the last 2 decades if not longer.
The real reason why there's so much education disparity in Philly is because a large percentage of the natives live in ghettoized neighborhoods that have been shut out from opportunity for 80+ years, which is exacerbated by the racial segregation that nobody likes to talk about but everybody knows is right there. The people left in these neighborhoods have all but been deserted by the rest of America. Same goes for Chicago, NYC, DC, etc... urban education in America - and especially in the older cities - is pretty awful.
This same issues impacts all areas and not isolated to the East Coast or Midwestern cities. LA as an example of a WC city has par to much poverty and insufficient educational attainment in many areas. Also SF is not even immune in its uber gentrified (glamorous description of infused money demographic) only pushed poverty and the related educational issues to different areas and did not fis them. It just displaced poverty in areas with affluence.
To suggest that this same dynamic is not present everywhere is nonesense. Now some cities have larger populations/percentages but much of this is also associated with the socail and economic factors that led these places to where they are today. None are excusable but the same exact issue faces everyplace. Fishtown and West Kensignton did not fix poverty in Philly they are purely displacing it to a different area. the same could be said many areas of SF or Oakland or DC (poverty displaced to PG county) etc. Are you suggesting that somehow the bay area has fixed all its issues with poverty and poor ecucation atainment leveles in the impoverished areas? Is it somehow immune from this issue.
These links are simply emblematic of the current economic crisis, and its a interesting that the 2010 Census occurred during a terrible economic downturn, so the data is skewed by that.
On the other hand, the levels of poverty in the many undesirable areas in places like Philadelphia(and Oakland and the like) deals with is ongoing and goes back several generations.
Apples and Oranges really.
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Poverty is not the only reason that Philly has a lower amount of Bachelor's degrees, get real. Oakland is about a full 12% higher than Philly and only has a 4% lower poverty rate.