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No. I would say that the SW of Texas is much more like NM an AZ (with maybe the exception of Phoenix, which is the sole metropolis of the Southwest) than it is like any part of Texas East of the Pecos. I don't really want to open this can of worms, but Texas is just too damn big and too centrally located in America to be lumped in as wholly Southern or Southwestern, even though it has parts that are very much both. This will probably be debated until the end of time by many people.
Like I said earlier in this thread, my opinion of what makes up the Southwest is 100% AZ, 100% NM, T-P Texas, Southwestern Colorado, Southern Utah, and Southern Nevada. In other words, the hotter desert areas that don't include California. No state lines, other than the Western border of AZ and NV and the Eastern border of NM, would define this region.
Southern California is also clearly southwest. You can't get any more southwest that it in the U.S.
Southern California is also clearly southwest. You can't get any more southwest that it in the U.S.
Take it up with a Californian. I'm sure they'll totally agree with you. And next time I make the 1 hour drive to Missoula from Spokane, I'll be sure to remind the locals that they are living in the Midwest. I'm sure they'll agree too.
Take it up with a Californian. I'm sure they'll totally agree with you. And next time I make the 1 hour drive to Missoula from Spokane, I'll be sure to remind the locals that they are living in the Midwest. I'm sure they'll agree too.
You didn't hear me correctly.
Geographically, southern California is the southwest.
Geographically, all of Montana is in the west, though parts are on the far eastern end of it.
Topographically and in terms of vegetation, eastern Montana is Plains and much more alike the midwestern plains states.
In Missoula and western Montana, it is topographically western, with an abundance of evergreen trees and mountains.
In Missoula and western Montana, it is topographically western, with an abundance of evergreen trees and mountains.
As are the Black Hills of South Dakota, but apparently that is 100% in the Midwest.
Look, at this point I'm all too familiar with the argument. My opinions got severely taken out of context throughout the course of this thread, so as it stands I'm just being a bit snarky and sarcastic. I know what you meant, and I know that in strictly geographical terms SoCal is as "Southwest" as it gets, and only the far-Western end of Montana fits the description of "mountain-West". My apologies for misdirecting said snarkiness towards you, as you had nothing to do with taking my previous comments out of context.
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I think Phoenix is the clear winner. It is the largest metro, larger economy, and highest total personal income. Denver may have the better skyline, and climate (depending on your preference) but Phoenix is the clear winner in this poll.
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I think Phoenix is the clear winner. It is the largest metro, larger economy, and highest total personal income. Denver may have the better skyline, and climate (depending on your preference) but Phoenix is the clear winner in this poll.
Clearly many prefer quality of quantity. Denver has a better downtown and urban environment, Albuquerque and Santa Fe have a more palpable artistry and Southwestern heritage, culture, and history, much better climate too. Probably why those two cities clearly have a lead over Phoenix in the poll.
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