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Well, I was saying "way short" so I meant by "way" much. There's also something to be said for seasons as it changes the natural landscape around you very dramatically while you stay in place (this is also not optional, so there's something to be said against this as well). The Adirondacks are actually really untouched and unspoiled.
Also, I'm from the West Coast originally and now live in New York, if that helps you understand my perspective.
Going a bit off topic here, but that old saying that you can ski and surf in LA in the same day (you can also go hiking too) is not an exaggeration. Mt. Baldy (elevation: 10,000 ft) and the relatively secluded (and stunning) Zuma Beach are literally one hour away from DTLA, 2 hours away from each other.
Oycrumbler, if you are originally from the West Coast (Los Angeles, in particular) then you have proven Maher (and me) wrong when it comes to his assertion that Angelenos visiting NYC NEVER stay (and expat NYers in LA never leave).
General comment: the reason why I posted the Maher link was really the 'thin-skinned', any criticism of NY=treason comment. I see that all the time, especially from NYers who, amazingly, accuse ME of being thin-skinned and over sensitive when they complain about well, everything here. It really seems like a knee-jerk reaction, there seems to be very little reason or logic to it.
We Angelenos are used to some pretty harsh, hackneyed criticism. We've pretty much heard it all. I think we take it pretty well, to be honest.
Oycrumbler, if you are originally from the West Coast (Los Angeles, in particular) then you have proven Maher (and me) wrong when it comes to his assertion that Angelenos visiting NYC NEVER stay (and expat NYers in LA never leave).
General comment: the reason why I posted the Maher link was really the 'thin-skinned', any criticism of NY=treason comment. I see that all the time, especially from NYers who, amazingly, accuse ME of being thin-skinned and over sensitive when they complain about well, everything here. It really seems like a knee-jerk reaction, there seems to be very little reason or logic to it.
We Angelenos are used to some pretty harsh, hackneyed criticism. We've pretty much heard it all. I think we take it pretty well, to be honest.
Wow, you really took that Maher comment at face value? It seems kind of warped to not be able to process hyperbole. There is a lot of movement between the two cities, and I find it hard to believe that anyone finds that hard to believe.
And Maher gets the criticism because of his industry and the fact that he's from around the area, as he himself has stated.
Wow, you really took that Maher comment at face value? It seems kind of warped to not be able to process hyperbole. There is a lot of movement between the two cities, and I find it hard to believe that anyone finds that hard to believe.
And Maher gets the criticism because of his industry and the fact that he's from around the area, as he himself has stated.
You're going to argue that NY gets as many LA transplants as vice versa?!
You're going to argue that NY gets as many LA transplants as vice versa?!
I didn't say that either. I don't even know how you thought I said that.
That being said, in recent years, maybe. Definitely a lot of angelenos out here now. Definitely a lot of angelenos that I grew up with have left Los Angeles for good perhaps, especially those with professional degrees. I'm betting that's a temporary blip and people will be back, but the last few years have made the Bay Area and New York really attractive. Even film makers are coming here a bit (LA is still the biggest, but it's definitely been having some missteps in the past few years while other areas in the country, including New York, have had their film industry growing).
L.A definitely isn't rivaling NY, but I don't think it's fighting SF for a spot either.
I also don't think SF is trying to become the next 'LA' or trying to compete. I think it's inevitable that SF will surpass L.A in a lot of categories that keeps L.A afloat.
Oh and 'nickdahammer'
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We Angelenos are used to some pretty harsh, hackneyed criticism. We've pretty much heard it all. I think we take it pretty well, to be honest.
I'm sure a lot of people on here can say that about their cities. Lol What I don't seem to understand is how people can be so 'serious' on the internet. Granted we can't detect sarcasm on the internet but some people take everything to heart. Lol this is coming from the obnoxious, arrogant, abrasive New Yorker.
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