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Wanna see something crazy. Look at the population density:
Atlanta: 420,000 (2010 census) in 132 square miles
Toronto's largest SUBURBS:
Mississauga: 713,000 (2011 census) in 111 square miles
Brampton: 523,000 (2011 census) in 103 square miles
Toronto has SUBURBS that are denser (far denser) than the "city" of Atlanta. I'd like to see density figures for Atlanta's suburbs. They must be terrible.
Another Toronto suburb denser than Atlanta proper:
Markham: 301,000 (2011 census) in 82 square miles
Hell, Vaughan will probably surpass Atlanta's current population density in the next 10-15 years (Vaughan's population has doubled in the last 20 years).
Vaughan: 288,000 (2011 census) in 106 square miles.
And Vaughan still has vast areas of farmland and unspoiled wilderness.
Toronto and Atlanta are both sprawled out, although Atlanta is probably more sprawled out and the greenbelt law should limit any further Toronto sprawl. Both cities are becoming denser.
Atlanta, and most American cities, are increasing density by building apartments. This infill apartment boom is apparently driven by younger Americans who don’t want to be burdened with the costs and risks of home ownership. When the Toronto housing market crashes, maybe they can start to build some nice affordable apartments. Renting an average 2 bdr apartment in Midtown/Buckhead would cost $800-1000. In downtown Atlanta, it is probably even cheaper than that depending on what risk you can stomach LOL! In a nice part of Toronto (Uptown Yonge or High Park) an average 2bdr/1ba apartment would cost $1,300-$1,500. Downtown Toronto is mostly high-end condos, which aren’t realistic options for an average person to rent, unless they want to use all of your disposable income paying rent. The difference I have noticed is that market-rate Toronto apartments are old, dilapidated, and lack modern amenities. Given the historical return on building Toronto condos, no new apartments have been built for years. Many market-rate Atlanta apartments are relatively new with security fencing, beautiful landscaping and fitness center and pool onsite.
Bottom line is that I am not going to choose where I live based on density.
Here are the latest 2012 figures for urban areas at Demographia.com
Toronto: 6,139,000 people in 883 sq mi with an overall density of 7000 per sq.mi.
Atlanta: 4,715,000 people in 2,645 sq mi with an overall density of 1800 per sq. mi.
Here are the latest 2012 figures for urban areas at Demographia.com
Toronto: 6,139,000 people in 883 sq mi with an overall density of 7000 per sq.mi.
Atlanta: 4,715,000 people in 2,645 sq mi with an overall density of 1800 per sq. mi.
I believe Atlanta is the least dense urban area in the world under 2 million people. It's sprawlariffic!
That's so absolutely wrong it's appalling. Where do people get these crazy ideas about Atlanta? The city of Atlanta has almost the same density as Denver, Colorado and is more densely populated than Kansas City, Indianapolis, Orlando, Tampa, Phoenix, the list goes on.
Metro wise the 5 core counties in which the majority of people in the Atlanta Metro live have about the same area and almost as high a population as the six core counties of Metro Boston. In fact the main part of the Atlanta Metro is actually more densely populated than many major Metro areas such as Denver or Portland.
It's only when you consider far flung counties that are way out and have little population like Paulding or Jackson that the density goes down but the majority of Metro Atlantans don't live out there and there's nobody holding a gun to your head forcing you to move way out if you do move to the Metro area. In fact, the ITP (Inside the Perimeter - I285) area of Metro Atlanta where a huge portion of the people live is quite urban as American Metros go.
Last edited by Galounger; 06-07-2012 at 05:52 AM..
This is what he was referring to. He chooses to be obnoxious for some reason, but he was right about this, Atlanta is the least dense urban area in the world over 2 million in population.
This is what he was referring to. He chooses to be obnoxious for some reason, but he was right about this, Atlanta is the least dense urban area in the world over 2 million in population.
Yeah, but according to that Atlanta has 700 per square km but Metro Boston only 800 and St. Louis 900 but nobody's going on about how "sprawlific" Metro Boston or St. Louis is. Fact is many U.S. metros are more sprawling or less dense than metro Atlanta but Atlanta always gets singled out for some reason.
^That's true. A giant lot in Newton or Marblehead, and you're sophisticated and cosmopolitan but you just need a country retreat. A giant lot in Dunwoody, and you're a hick. Nothing more than north/south stereotypes, really.
Wanna see something crazy. Look at the population density:
Atlanta: 420,000 (2010 census) in 132 square miles
Toronto's largest SUBURBS:
Mississauga: 713,000 (2011 census) in 111 square miles
Brampton: 523,000 (2011 census) in 103 square miles
Toronto has SUBURBS that are denser (far denser) than the "city" of Atlanta. I'd like to see density figures for Atlanta's suburbs. They must be terrible.
Another Toronto suburb denser than Atlanta proper:
Markham: 301,000 (2011 census) in 82 square miles
Hell, Vaughan will probably surpass Atlanta's current population density in the next 10-15 years (Vaughan's population has doubled in the last 20 years).
Vaughan: 288,000 (2011 census) in 106 square miles.
And Vaughan still has vast areas of farmland and unspoiled wilderness.
Actually the densest town in all of Georgia is a suburb of Atlanta. Clarkston.
I am in Toronto and move to Atlanta, reason: simple, cost of living, why spending $600,000+ for a smaller 4 bedroom house when I can get it for $250,000 (and nicer & bigger) in nice areas in Atlanta. I can live in a really good neighborhood with good schools in northern Atlanta...my kids will go to better schools. Yes, I will be paying $560 per month for healthcare, but the healthcare is so good there, unlike here you have to wait to see doctors, and medical centers is like 5 minutes consultation.
It's so much easier to raise a family in many U.S. cities because of cost of living. My kids will enjoy hot lunch every day in schools there with milk for $2.00 a day, great curriculum, lots of activities & sports to choose from.
In terms of business, of course U.S. offers much more business opportunities. What does Toronto has to offer, it doesn't even have an aquarium until 2013/2014..
As much as I want to call Canada my hometown, the reality is Canada is just becoming like Australia where I grew up - rising cost, unions, worsening education and high tax...
-cityscape/architecture-Toronto no brainer
-"urban living"-Toronto
-shopping-Toss up
-dining-Dont know
-nightlife- Toronto because of its higher diversity, and being the premier city of canada
-safety-Toronto
-pedestrian friendliness (which includes continuity of pedestrian friendliness along the corridor)-Toronto
-which street pattern you prefer (Toronto's strict north-south/east-west grid with shorter blocks vs. Atlanta's meandering streets with huge blocks)-Atlanta, easier to drive
-transit (public transit, bike lanes/paths, ease of catching a cab)-Toronto its easier to travel through because its more walkable and has more mass transit
Atlanta is great but its not as dense for walkability and toronto has a HUGE amount of nightlife and pedistrians walking because its canada's NYC. Atlanta is a great city but its just not on the same par as a city that ranks with los angeles and chicago
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