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Chandler's not familiar with your logic and patterns game. You should give hints because I'm not picking up on it either. What point are you trying to make?
Well numerous things jump at me for this.
Personally I'm under the belief that a top 5 level city is & will remain top 5 even if you add handicaps to them, they have the credentials to be. This is my belief as it correlates to density, demographics, immigration, economy, & anything else.
Here's a quote somewhere in this thread: "Not hard to attract immigrants when you border Mexico and are 90 miles from Cuba." (Cities he bolded are Los Angeles, Miami, Houston, San Diego, & Riverside)
So to test my theory with his statement, which to re-insert again was: "Personally I'm under the belief that a top 5 level city is & will remain top 5 even if you add handicaps to them. This is my belief as it correlates to density, demographics, immigration, economy, & anything else."
Metropolitans by Hispanic Population (exclusion of their largest Hispanic group):
- New York: 3,444,749 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Los Angeles: 1,553,897 (excluding Mexicans)
- Miami: 1,328,551 (excluding Cubans)
- Washington: 529,710 (excluding El Salvadorans)
- Houston: 503,642 (excluding Mexicans)
- Boston: 470,871 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Bay Area: 434,769 (excluding Mexicans)
- Chicago: 412,412 (excluding Mexicans)
- Philadelphia: 279,595 (excluding Puerto Ricans)
- Dallas: 269,274 (excluding Mexicans)
- Atlanta: 256,086 (excluding Mexicans)
As you can see, even after removing the Mexican populations from Los Angeles & Houston, they are still top 5 level Hispanic hubs therefore they are legitimately hubs of Hispanic culture since theoretically you can remove their largest group and they still remain up there & practically ahead of everywhere else. Apply that same notion to the Cubans in Miami as well. San Diego was one he did bold but truth be told, San Diego isn't particularly a large Mexican population given the location it has. Big for America but not big for a place right on the border. It comes as no surprise to not see it in the top 5 either way you look at it.
Now the city that the removal of the Mexican population (if it was their largest Hispanic population) really did affect to the point where they dropped out of the top 5 altogether was Chicago. It dropped from being one of the top 5 Hispanic "hubs" to eighth position (see both above & below).
Metropolitans by Total Hispanic Population:
- Los Angeles: 8,206,577
- New York: 4,903,875
- Miami: 2,369,074
- Houston: 2,218,894
- Chicago: 2,020,341
- Dallas: 1,875,995
- Bay Area: 1,846,994
- Washington: 806,207
- Boston: 699,068
- Atlanta: 623,428
- Philadelphia: 598,043
So again the theory where location matters, apparently yes it does but not enough to affect the credentials of an all around diverse city.
One thing that did come as a surprise is that once removing it's largest group, the El Salvadorans that Washington sneaks its way into the top 5. Another thing is that it's an anomaly to the United States, most cities have it one or two ways where either they're in the Northeast & their largest Hispanic population is Puerto Rican or they're the rest of the United States & their largest Hispanic population is Mexican. Obviously Miami due to geographical location is an understood anomaly but Washington & El Salvadorans? Surprising actually.
Also since immigration has come up, here's that for 2011 by regions & total:
- New York: 188,332 (CSA)
- New York: 183,681 (MSA)
- Los Angeles: 104,158 (CSA)
- Los Angeles: 86,161 (MSA)
- Miami: 71,775
- Bay Area: 50,987 (CSA)
- Washington: 39,365
- Chicago: 35,039
- Boston: 33,196 (CSA)
- San Francisco: 32,433 (MSA)
- Houston: 31,136
- Dallas: 28,090
- Boston: 25,909 (MSA)
- Atlanta: 22,035
- San Diego: 21,556
- Philadelphia: 18,925
- San Jose: 18,554 (MSA)
- Seattle: 17,823
- Riverside: 14,885 (MSA)
- Phoenix: 14,013
- Detroit: 12,198
- Minneapolis: 10,175
Immigration from Northern America:
- New York: 54,894
- Miami: 45,743
- Los Angeles: 35,043 (CSA)
- Houston: 11,757
- Dallas: 9,363
- Chicago: 8,747
- San Diego: 7,910
- Boston: 7,409
- Bay Area: 6,828 (CSA)
- Washington: 6,597
- Phoenix: 5,485
- El Paso, TX: 5,149
- Atlanta: 4,288
- Tampa: 4,031
- Orlando: 3,945
- Philadelphia: 3,351
- Las Vegas: 3,220
Immigration from Oceania:
- Bay Area: 573 (CSA)
- Los Angeles: 470
- New York: 412
- Seattle: 198
- Chicago: 97
- Washington: 82
- San Diego: 79
- Dallas: 76
- Boston: 68
- Houston: 65
- Riverside: 63
- Atlanta: 55
- Phoenix: 55
- Philadelphia: 53
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Originally Posted by kidphilly
Looks like natural growth (birth-death) and mexican immigrants are the big drivers in the two large TX metros.
To a limited extent but it's not that much of a driver. Most Mexican people in Dallas & Houston for the last few generations were born there. It's essentially what Italian immigration was & has been for Philadelphia. This is immigration for 2011 (as has been the above this quote excerpt ^^^).
Immigration from Mexico
- Los Angeles: 16,565
- Houston: 7,792
- Dallas: 7,492
- San Diego: 7,402
- Chicago: 7,049
- Riverside: 6,608
- El Paso, TX: 5,083
- Phoenix: 4,472
- Bay Area: 3,928 (CSA)
- San Antonio: 2,538
- Denver: 2,161
- New York: 2,103
I wonder the birth rates by race; maybe that is more the driving factor then for the two large TX metros
Yeahhh birthrates definitely are the prime drivers to their growth, with all the hype they get for "moving there in droves" I think people there should realistically be relieved that's not happening to an extreme. If the net domestic migration was at Phoenix (from last decade) level then Dallas & Houston would be a traffic gridlock 24/7.
That's a bit extreme.
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Originally Posted by kidphilly
none-the-less good data here - you are the new Lifeshawdower
Hahahaha, nahhhh there can only be one Lifeshadower but thanks for the responses so far everyone!
Some pretty good data all around here.
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none-the-less good data here - you are the new Lifeshawdower
I'm still here! Just haven't been posting as much lately. Too much real life.
I think its sort of stupid to discount one group over another just because they have a larger presence in one area over the other. The numbers are what they are, and sometimes, stating some obvious postulation comes off as infantilizing.
No, none of us have ever looked at a map and realize that Mexico, a rapidly developing yet sort of unstable country, borders the United States. Please. This is City-Data. If you haven't looked at a map lately, what are you doing here?
Not hard to attract immigrants when you border Mexico and are 90 miles from Cuba.
Yeah...the Cubans just cross over that imaginary 90 mile long bridge....not hard at all
I went a naturalization ceremony of one my friends (she's from Poland) and it was interesting that while Cubans made up the largest group of new citizens at the ceremony, they were nowhere near the majority of the group. Out of about 220, cubans made up about 60. The other countries with large numbers of naturalized citizens were mostly in South America, Central America, The Caribbean and from Mediterranean countries in Europe.
I would have too, but perhaps it's because we live in Collin county which is the transplant capital of DFW. It's not as visible in the other counties.
I suppose you're right. Denton County seems to have a health number of transplants as well, however, these two counties are exploding with growth...
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