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Detroit has 4.3 million within 40 miles of downtown, and 4.7 million within 50 miles. If you want to count Windsor (which is a bit ridiculous IMO), add another 300k.
Conversely, Chicago has 8.4 million within 40 miles, and 9.2 million within 50 miles.
Pretty much at any radius Chicago's population is almost double.
The only reason Windsor isn't included is because it's not actually in the United States. People live in Windsor and work in Detroit ALL the time. People also go back and forth between the 2 cities for entertainment, shopping, events, ect. How aren't they connected???
As for Ann Arbor, you can see from the map I posted that it's basically connected to Metro Detroit. There are many relations between the 2. The difference is Ann Arbor is more independent especially because of UofM which is probably why it's not included yet. But it feels much more part of the Detroit area than half of the other counties that area considered Detroit MSA (Livingston, Lapeer, and St. Clair county's). But since they measure commuting patterns by percentage it makes since that some of those other county's that are way out there are included and Washtenaw is not.
MSA's are determined based on the commuting patterns of people within the area - how much back and forth there is. I'm guessing from going to the western burbs of Detoit as well as Ann Arbor many times that most people who live in one MSA probably work and spend a lot of their time in that respective MSA. Hence they're connected on a broader level, but not as much on a daily basis. My boyfriend grew up in Westland though, but his sister and much of his social network when we go back is all in Ann Arbor. I LOVE Ann Arbor, such a great city. The Detroit suburbs and Ann Arbor are literally 15 minutes apart going straight across on Ford Road. Clearly they share the same region.
Let's compare the two cities on vibrancy, size, amenities, scenery, international influence, food, more urban, history, architecture, public transit, crime, weather, etc
why are you doing this to Detroit MI why kick a city when it's down ?
Detroit has 4.3 million within 40 miles of downtown, and 4.7 million within 50 miles. If you want to count Windsor (which is a bit ridiculous IMO), add another 300k.
Conversely, Chicago has 8.4 million within 40 miles, and 9.2 million within 50 miles.
Pretty much at any radius Chicago's population is almost double.
You may have misunderstood what was quoted. When I said Chicago's MSA and CSA is about the same population I was no longer talking about Detroit at all. I think everyone on CD knows Chicago is larger in every way. What I meant was Chicago's MSA population is about the same population as it's CSA population. If that's what you were trying to fact check me on, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I get what you are saying, but they are all measured the same, there are a dozen other metros who can make that same argument.
I know there is more than 1 international metropolitan area in the US. As far as San Diego, I don't really know the place that well but I'm sure San Diego and Tijuana are very connected and is treated as the same area.
Detroit has 4.3 million within 40 miles of downtown, and 4.7 million within 50 miles. If you want to count Windsor (which is a bit ridiculous IMO), add another 300k.
Why is counting Windsor ridiculous? Windsor is just across the Detroit river from downtown Detroit. Yet, you count a suburb 40 miles from downtown. I do not understand.
You may have misunderstood what was quoted. When I said Chicago's MSA and CSA is about the same population I was no longer talking about Detroit at all. I think everyone on CD knows Chicago is larger in every way. What I meant was Chicago's MSA population is about the same population as it's CSA population. If that's what you were trying to fact check me on, sorry for the misunderstanding.
I am sorry, the fault was mine. I skimmed your post too fast and misinterpreted what you were trying to say.
But I have seen some wild statistical manipulation on CD so nothing surprises me anymore
Why is counting Windsor ridiculous? Windsor is just across the Detroit river from downtown Detroit. Yet, you count a suburb 40 miles from downtown. I do not understand.
Because its in a different country, separated by an international border and passport control. So i suspect the relationship dynamic and degree of urban integration is quite different than with a typical suburb across the river, or even one 40 miles away. But I don't live in Detroit so I may be wrong.
Because its in a different country, separated by an international border and passport control. So i suspect the relationship dynamic and degree of urban integration is quite different than with a typical suburb across the river, or even one 40 miles away. But I don't live in Detroit so I may be wrong.
Because its in a different country, separated by an international border and passport control. So i suspect the relationship dynamic and degree of urban integration is quite different than with a typical suburb across the river, or even one 40 miles away. But I don't live in Detroit so I may be wrong.
The cities are both certainly more connected than SD is to Tijuana.
Chrysler and Ford both have plants/offices located in Windsor. There's already the mentioned Windsor commute into Detroit which is probably somewhere around several thousand commuters, mostly in the medical industry. Canadians will also typically shop in Metro Detroit due to lower taxes. Likewise, Americans will go into Windsor for the casino and for the slightly different laws regarding nightlife. In terms of a suburb, Windsor is to Detroit as Gary is to Chicago or better yet, Kansas City to Kansas City (if you get what I mean). Just instead of a state boundary, it's international. But it might as well be state because Canada isn't drastically different than the US (globally speaking).
Also, Ann Arbor has been mentioned and I think the number is around 40,000 commuters between AA and Metro Detroit (not necessarily into Detroit city).
I work in downtown Detroit and know quite a few folks who live in Windsor. They have a quick pass that makes their trip across the tunnel or bridge really quick.
While Detroit obviously has a ton of issues - especially in the neighborhoods - the growth and development downtown and in midtown has really energized the city and is exciting to anybody who has seen the area transform over the last 5-10 years.
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