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I was saying that Maine had a higher black homicide rate than each of the top 15 states in percentage of black population. Michigan & Pennsylvania are not among the top 15 in that regard.
I know what you were saying. I was saying that perhaps because of Maine's very small Black population, it doesn't take that many murders to put it on top in that aspect. One year, it was zero, the next is was very high.
If Maine having a slightly higher black murder rate than Louisiana in 2010 isn't blurring the line between fantasy and reality then what is. Maine had a murder rate in 2010 of 1.8 per 100k and the murder victims were disproportionately white. Louisiana had a murder rate in 2010 [over 6x higher] of 11.0 per 100k and the murder victims were disproportionately black. That was the elephant in the room right there for the Violence Policy Center to see that their methods need a severe twerking if they want to present something which more reflects reality, as in another study that had Louisiana as the most violent state, and Maine the most peaceful state.
If Maine having a slightly higher black murder rate than Louisiana in 2010 isn't blurring the line between fantasy and reality then what is. Maine had a murder rate in 2010 of 1.8 per 100k and the murder victims were disproportionately white. Louisiana had a murder rate in 2010 [over 6x higher] of 11.0 per 100k and the murder victims were disproportionately black. That was the elephant in the room right there for the Violence Policy Center to see that their methods need a severe twerking if they want to present something which more reflects reality, as in another study that had Louisiana as the most violent state, and Maine the most peaceful state.
I know what it is. However, you are missing the point of what I'm talking about. What I was talking about was that Maine has between 16,000 and 17,000 Black residents, out of a population of 1,241,512 residents, basically 1.3% of the state's population. Maine had 24 murders in 2010, and 5 of those murders involved Blacks. However, with the small Black population, 5 murders is going to translate differently in a population set of 16,000 than 24 murders in a population set of 1.2 million. My point of bringing up 2009 was this. Maine had 26 murders, zero of them involving Blacks. With a Black murder rate of 0 murders per 100,000, and then 22.62 murders per 100,000, my point is to look over time as to what the Black murder rate in Maine has been. According to the statistics, this information says that in 2010, Black murder rates in Maine are among the highest in the nation, higher than Louisiana. However, the statistics didn't say that the year before. I was suggesting that in order to get a better idea, archival data is necessary. Data from as far back as 2000 would be necessary to get a better assessment.
I know what it is. However, you are missing the point of what I'm talking about. What I was talking about was that Maine has between 16,000 and 17,000 Black residents, out of a population of 1,241,512 residents, basically 1.3% of the state's population. Maine had 24 murders in 2010, and 5 of those murders involved Blacks. However, with the small Black population, 5 murders is going to translate differently in a population set of 16,000 than 24 murders in a population set of 1.2 million. My point of bringing up 2009 was this. Maine had 26 murders, zero of them involving Blacks. With a Black murder rate of 0 murders per 100,000, and then 22.62 murders per 100,000, my point is to look over time as to what the Black murder rate in Maine has been. According to the statistics, this information says that in 2010, Black murder rates in Maine are among the highest in the nation, higher than Louisiana. However, the statistics didn't say that the year before. I was suggesting that in order to get a better idea, archival data is necessary. Data from as far back as 2000 would be necessary to get a better assessment.
I didn't miss the point, as I'm aware of Violence Policy Center's methodology in determining black homicide rates. My point is that it doesn't reflect where black people are more or less likely to be murdered. In 2006 they had North Dakota's black murder rate #6 and Louisiana's #10. That year North Dakota's murder rate was #48 with 1.3 murders per 100k and murder victims were disproportionately non-black while Louisiana was #1 and over 9 1/2 times higher with 12.3 murders per 100k and murder victims were disproportionately black. One doesn't have to be a genius to figure out that a black person was much more likely to be a murder victim in Louisiana than North Dakota. Another thing, in case you didn't know, is that the culture of black on black violence is the reason why Louisiana is, per capita wise the most murderous U.S state over the last 23yrs consecutively and most of those years it wasn't even close.
I didn't miss the point, as I'm aware of Violence Policy Center's methodology in determining black homicide rates. My point is that it doesn't reflect where black people are more or less likely to be murdered. In 2006 they had North Dakota's black murder rate #6 and Louisiana's #10. That year North Dakota's murder rate was #48 with 1.3 murders per 100k and murder victims were disproportionately non-black while Louisiana was #1 and over 9 1/2 times higher with 12.3 murders per 100k and murder victims were disproportionately black. One doesn't have to be a genius to figure out that a black person was much more likely to be a murder victim in Louisiana than North Dakota. Another thing, in case you didn't know, is that the culture of black on black violence is the reason why Louisiana is, per capita wise the most murderous U.S state over the last 23yrs consecutively and most of those years it wasn't even close.
I was trying to say the same thing. Maybe we both had the point, didn't know we did.
How did you get the 2006 data? I have been trying to get that data.
There is something else you have to consider with Louisiana vs Mississippi. Louisiana has New Orleans and Baton Rouge, some of the most violent cities in the nation. Mississippi, with the highest proportion of Blacks in the nation, has a relatively low Black murder rate. I would argue that as bad as Jackson,MS is as far as murder goes, it has nothing on New Orleans, and Mississippi has a very large rural population. Organized gangs are not nearly as entrenched in Mississippi as you would have in New Orleans.
The ten most murderous states from the time period of 1960-1969:
Alabama, 11.37 murders per 100,000
Georgia, 11.28 murders per 100,000
South Carolina, 11.15 murders per 100,000
Florida, 9.71 murders per 100,000
North Carolina, 9.31 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 9.3 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 9.02 murders per 100,000
Virginia, 8.81 murders per 100,000
Texas, 8.73 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 8.39 murders per 100,000
And then from the 70s:
Georgia, 15.65 murders per 100,000
Louisiana, 14.14 murders per 100,000
Alabama, 14.09 murders per 100,000
South Carolina, 14.09 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 13.65 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 13.4 murders per 100,000
Texas, 13.24 murders per 100,000
Florida, 12.64 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 11.92 murders per 100,000
North Carolina, 11.73 murders per 100,000
And the 1980s:
Texas , 13.91 murders per 100,000
Louisiana, 13.57 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 12.47 murders per 100,000
Florida, 12.27 murders per 100,000
Georgia, 11.92 murders per 100,000
New York, 11.41 murders per 100,000
California, 11.35 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 11.23 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 10.96 murders per 100,000
New Mexico, 10.67 murders per 100,000
The states that appear on these lists each time: Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Nevada, and Texas. The South has had the highest murder rates historically. Alabama and South Carolina were on this list during the 60s and 70s(top 10). These two states peaked around the 1970s, as did Georgia. Florida started to peak in the 70s and stayed this way into the early 1980s. Texas peaked between the mid/late 1970s into the early/mid 1980s. It then peaked again in 1991, with a murder rate of 15.1 murders per 100,000. New Mexico peaked in the 1980s as did California. New York peaked in the 80s as well.
Alaska and Nevada would have seemed to peak in the 1970s. However, From the data I was presented, Nevada and Alaska both had their most violent year in the early 1980s(Alaska in 1982 with a murder rate of 18.5 murders per 100,000 and Nevada with a murder rate of 20 murders per 100,000 in 1980).
Louisiana didn't appear on the top 10 as far as the highest average murder rates during the 1960s. Murder rates started rising in the 70s and 80s. However, Louisiana peaked in the 1990s, particularly in 1993, with a murder rate of 20.3 murders per 100,000, the highest ever recorded for any state between 1960 and now.
Arkansas peaked in the 1990s as well.
Most of the southern states peaked around the 1970s into the early 1980s, as did some western states like Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, and Alaska. Louisiana and Arkansas both peaked in the 90s. Oklahoma peaked in 1995, but that was because of Timothy McVeigh's bombing.
The ten most murderous states from the time period of 1960-1969:
Alabama, 11.37 murders per 100,000
Georgia, 11.28 murders per 100,000
South Carolina, 11.15 murders per 100,000
Florida, 9.71 murders per 100,000
North Carolina, 9.31 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 9.3 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 9.02 murders per 100,000
Virginia, 8.81 murders per 100,000
Texas, 8.73 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 8.39 murders per 100,000
And then from the 70s:
Georgia, 15.65 murders per 100,000
Louisiana, 14.14 murders per 100,000
Alabama, 14.09 murders per 100,000
South Carolina, 14.09 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 13.65 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 13.4 murders per 100,000
Texas, 13.24 murders per 100,000
Florida, 12.64 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 11.92 murders per 100,000
North Carolina, 11.73 murders per 100,000
And the 1980s:
Texas , 13.91 murders per 100,000
Louisiana, 13.57 murders per 100,000
Nevada, 12.47 murders per 100,000
Florida, 12.27 murders per 100,000
Georgia, 11.92 murders per 100,000
New York, 11.41 murders per 100,000
California, 11.35 murders per 100,000
Mississippi, 11.23 murders per 100,000
Alaska, 10.96 murders per 100,000
New Mexico, 10.67 murders per 100,000
The states that appear on these lists each time: Alaska, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Nevada, and Texas. The South has had the highest murder rates historically. Alabama and South Carolina were on this list during the 60s and 70s(top 10). These two states peaked around the 1970s, as did Georgia. Florida started to peak in the 70s and stayed this way into the early 1980s. Texas peaked between the mid/late 1970s into the early/mid 1980s. It then peaked again in 1991, with a murder rate of 15.1 murders per 100,000. New Mexico peaked in the 1980s as did California. New York peaked in the 80s as well.
Alaska and Nevada would have seemed to peak in the 1970s. However, From the data I was presented, Nevada and Alaska both had their most violent year in the early 1980s(Alaska in 1982 with a murder rate of 18.5 murders per 100,000 and Nevada with a murder rate of 20 murders per 100,000 in 1980).
Louisiana didn't appear on the top 10 as far as the highest average murder rates during the 1960s. Murder rates started rising in the 70s and 80s. However, Louisiana peaked in the 1990s, particularly in 1993, with a murder rate of 20.3 murders per 100,000, the highest ever recorded for any state between 1960 and now.
Arkansas peaked in the 1990s as well.
Most of the southern states peaked around the 1970s into the early 1980s, as did some western states like Nevada, Texas, New Mexico, and Alaska. Louisiana and Arkansas both peaked in the 90s. Oklahoma peaked in 1995, but that was because of Timothy McVeigh's bombing.
Yeah, Louisiana wasn't that high during the 1960's but from 1970-2011 it's the only state with annual double digit murder rates every single year. Another sad fact is that during the 23 years that Louisiana's murder rate led the nation it's average annual murder rate of 14.1 per 100k is over 2x higher than the U.S. average annual rate of 6.7 per 100k while no other U.S. state suffered an annual murder rate that was 2x higher than the annual rate in the U.S. in any year during the same period.
Yeah, Louisiana wasn't that high during the 1960's but from 1970-2011 it's the only state with annual double digit murder rates every single year. Another sad fact is that during the 23 years that Louisiana's murder rate led the nation it's average annual murder rate of 14.1 per 100k is over 2x higher than the U.S. average annual rate of 6.7 per 100k while no other U.S. state suffered an annual murder rate that was 2x higher than the annual rate in the U.S. in any year during the same period.
Louisiana was kind of violent in the 1960s. The average from 1960-1969 was 8.3 murders per 100,000, just barely below Nevada during that time period, so Louisiana missed being on the top ten by one place. Louisiana has had violence issues all the way back to the beginning. It was difficult at first to get settlers into New Orleans. What the French crown wanted were conservative, Catholic Frenchmen to settle New Orleans. However, this was a difficult task because the environment was quite bad, full of mosquitoes and swamps. Some fo the people who went to New Orleans were prisoners who had been released and once in New Orleans, continued criminal behavior.
Louisiana has had some issues with its legal system. The state has the death penalty, and will use it. Louisiana is case of how the death penalty doesn't deter criminals. Texas as well. However, this is the difference. There is a phenomenon called the "60 day murder". Basically, how it works is this. If a person gets charged with murder, an indictment must be filed within 60 days, or the charges must be dropped. However, this is what happened. If no witnesses said anything, and if the accused kept his/her mouth shut, then it makes it next to impossible to file an indictment. This with the lack of efficiency made it to where the deadline would pass and no indictment would be filed and the accused could be released. For an innocent person, this is good. However, gangs often used this as a loophole, and often got away with murder. In Texas, it is a different story. Texas was quite violent between the early 1970s into the 1990s. In Texas, it is easier for a criminal to get prosecuted. I think what happened in Texas is a combination of residents moving to Texas/criminals were getting older.
Louisiana was kind of violent in the 1960s. The average from 1960-1969 was 8.3 murders per 100,000, just barely below Nevada during that time period, so Louisiana missed being on the top ten by one place. Louisiana has had violence issues all the way back to the beginning. It was difficult at first to get settlers into New Orleans. What the French crown wanted were conservative, Catholic Frenchmen to settle New Orleans. However, this was a difficult task because the environment was quite bad, full of mosquitoes and swamps. Some fo the people who went to New Orleans were prisoners who had been released and once in New Orleans, continued criminal behavior.
Louisiana has had some issues with its legal system. The state has the death penalty, and will use it. Louisiana is case of how the death penalty doesn't deter criminals. Texas as well. However, this is the difference. There is a phenomenon called the "60 day murder". Basically, how it works is this. If a person gets charged with murder, an indictment must be filed within 60 days, or the charges must be dropped. However, this is what happened. If no witnesses said anything, and if the accused kept his/her mouth shut, then it makes it next to impossible to file an indictment. This with the lack of efficiency made it to where the deadline would pass and no indictment would be filed and the accused could be released. For an innocent person, this is good. However, gangs often used this as a loophole, and often got away with murder. In Texas, it is a different story. Texas was quite violent between the early 1970s into the 1990s. In Texas, it is easier for a criminal to get prosecuted. I think what happened in Texas is a combination of residents moving to Texas/criminals were getting older.
In addition to everything I have just said, there is another state I want to mention. Maryland is another state that wasn't as violent in the 1960s, but has become more violent over time. Maryland ranked #15 I believe when it came to murders, with a murder rate of 6.89 murders per 100,000 for the 1960s decade. However, it slowly started to go up and like Louisiana, peaked in the 1990s. Since the 1990s, Maryland has been in the top 10 in murder rates. It isn't in the double digits now, but it has gone high as well.
Obviously, most of the murders have come out of Baltimore. However, over the years, Prince George's County might be the other factor. Criminals from DC preferred Maryland over Virginia because Maryland was considered softer on crime than Virginia.
Louisiana, like it was since the 1970s, is in the top ten, and since the 1990s, #1 in murders. Maryland's murder rate is up there as well. Missouri and Arizona are now on the list. Arizona joined that list in the 2000s. States such as Georgia, Texas, Nevada, Alaska, are absent from the top 10. Their murder rates have dropped.
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