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Yeah, please list the universities beyond the top 3 in RT. I bet barely anybody on this board has ever heard of them. There is a reason RT fans want to limit it to only 3 universities. GTech is definitely on a higher level than NC State btw. I would agree overall that NC would best GT, but it isn't head and shoulders above, especially if you want to talk about actual quantifiable fields and aren't just glancing at some stupid USNWR report.
But just to play your game, and for S&G...
University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
#2 University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
#2 University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA
#4 University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
Ann Arbor, MI
#5 University of North Carolina--Chapel Hill
Chapel Hill, NC
There is also a considerable gap between UCBerkeley and UNC.
Shaw, NC Central, Meredith, Campbell. Two well respected HBCU's, one very well respected all girls school, and one Christian school. Pretty much the same collection as you'll find in metro Atlanta. Though your childish/dismissive "that's why the triangle fans want limit it to 3 universities" mantra might actually make sense if that weren't the case.
NC's Research Triangle bests the Atlanta metro area as "university centric". You can get as many Atlanta boosters as you want to come vote in the poll to swing it the other way but the majority of people familiar with academia will know that The Triangle has a greater concentration of highly esteemed universities than Atlanta.
Wow. How is Atlanta winning this poll? Ignorance and Homerism. I find the Research Triangle a massively unappealing snoozefest. In every other urban amenity, Atlanta kills that concatenation of suburbs in North Carolina, but for universities the Research Triangle wins quite easily. Duke is one of the best universities in the world. Emory is a fancyish regional R1. UNC Chapel Hill is one the best public universities in the country. There is no institution in Atlanta that remotely compares. NC State beats Georgia Tech, but not by much. Give the Research Triangle its due. It wins universities: it loses everything else.
Wow. How is Atlanta winning this poll? Ignorance and Homerism. I find the Research Triangle a massively unappealing snoozefest. In every other urban amenity, Atlanta kills that concatenation of suburbs in North Carolina, but for universities the Research Triangle wins quite easily. Duke is one of the best universities in the world. Emory is a fancyish regional R1. UNC Chapel Hill is one the best public universities in the country. There is no institution in Atlanta that remotely compares. NC State beats Georgia Tech, but not by much. Give the Research Triangle its due. It wins universities: it loses everything else.
It is definitely not ignorance and homerism, it's by breaking down the entire set of universities. No way that NC State is higher than GT. Pound for pound it is definitely stronger than Atlanta, possibly the strongest in the United States given the size of the metro area, but that isn't the same as which metro area has the better universities b/c Atlanta is around 3x larger than the RT.
Shaw, NC Central, Meredith, Campbell. Two well respected HBCU's, one very well respected all girls school, and one Christian school. Pretty much the same collection as you'll find in metro Atlanta. Though your childish/dismissive "that's why the triangle fans want limit it to 3 universities" mantra might actually make sense if that weren't the case.
NC's Research Triangle bests the Atlanta metro area as "university centric". You can get as many Atlanta boosters as you want to come vote in the poll to swing it the other way but the majority of people familiar with academia will know that The Triangle has a greater concentration of highly esteemed universities than Atlanta.
Morehouse and Spelman are to prestigious HBCUs there always ranked top 5 so there not equal to NC central .. read and get your life ..
Wow. How is Atlanta winning this poll? Ignorance and Homerism. I find the Research Triangle a massively unappealing snoozefest. In every other urban amenity, Atlanta kills that concatenation of suburbs in North Carolina, but for universities the Research Triangle wins quite easily. Duke is one of the best universities in the world. Emory is a fancyish regional R1. UNC Chapel Hill is one the best public universities in the country. There is no institution in Atlanta that remotely compares. NC State beats Georgia Tech, but not by much. Give the Research Triangle its due. It wins universities: it loses everything else.
Basically.
Also I find it funny because I agree with you. As a metro area/community; I find the Triangle to be very bland and basically as you say a ho-hum collection of new suburbs with little in the way of local flavor/culture. Atlanta is far more of a cultural hub and has a much greater history, culture ant national influence overall. However....it is simply ludicrous to say that The Triangle isn't in the top tier of metro areas for University/research presence. It is head and shoulders above Atlanta in that regard. And yes, as you said I think that the poll only favors Atlanta because a few Atlanta fanatics either have multiple accounts to vote with or went on the Atlanta forum and got some fellow boosters to come and vote.
Though Atlanta has some strong universities, I don't think they are on the same level as the Triangle. The first thing that comes to mind when many people think of the Triangle is it's universities, not quite the same with Atlanta.
Though Atlanta has some strong universities, I don't think they are on the same level as the Triangle. The first thing that comes to mind when many people think of the Triangle is it's universities, not quite the same with Atlanta.
Because that is the *only* thing people think about when they think about the Triangle besides Raleigh being the state capitol. What else would they think about? It's basically a conglomerate of different small cities.
I'm going to go ahead and give a slight edge to the Research Triangle, but I found that list interesting- amazing that Baltimore is in third with only one top-flight university in Hopkins. I guess Maryland-College Park is in the metro? Just surprised to see it that high even with the outstanding reputation Johns Hopkins has.
Baltimore has the University of Maryland, Baltimore which is the graduate and professional schools for the University of Maryland system. That means it is the medical school, law school, social work school, pharmacy school, nursing school, and dental school for the state. Thus the millions of research dollars accompany those schools and towards the Baltimore metro area. It also doesn't hurt that the universities are close to NIH and have greater access to those grants.
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