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I think the OMB or the Census bureau can just declare NYC and Philly a special case like they might do with UA's. Meaning they can always say "even though these two areas met all the CSA requirements we will still treat them as separate entities".
They actually referenced it as such in a postition statement (need to track it down running out now to spend time in Census technical NYC CSA known as Rittenhouse Sq.)
Technically I believe Philly and NYC meet the CSA connection requirements today via a connection of Burlington County NJ that has a MSA connection to the Philly and CSA connection to NYC (it only takes one county to combine under the current criteria)
The Census positioned they would not make the connection
They also referenced specifically that Reading PA's UA and Philly's UA while connecting per the criteria will be left seperate as they did in the case of the Trenton UA with Philly (though that is dicier because it connect as a CSA to two MSAs by the numbers
End of the day a lot of population in close proxity with two large (one enormous) at either end
3. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $594.977 Billion
Napa, CA Metro Area $6,880 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA Metro Area $347,107 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA Metro Area $176,736
Santa Cruz-Watsonville, CA Metro Area $9,451
Santa Rosa-Petaluma, CA Metro Area $20,461
Stockton-Lodi, CA $19,795
Vallejo-Fairfield, CA Metro Area $14,547
I take it from the SF-OAK MSA and SJ MSA being separated here that they didn't combine them into one MSA. What will it take for this to happen to finally accurately reflect the size of the Bay Area's MSA (SF-OAK-SJ)?
The CSA is so ridiculously huge, but the MSA's are split up and don't reflect the metro area at all...guess we'll just have to keep explaining this distinction in future threads where the size/definition of the Bay Area comes up (an inevitable discussion so long as SF-OAK and SJ are split into two).
Not much changed for the Alabama MSA's, other than Montgomery adding Lowndes County to its MSA.
Updated CSA's
Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega
Talladega County was added
CSA population estimate: 1,295,109
Huntsville-Decatur-Albertville
Marshall County was added
CSA population estimate: 603,107
Mobile-Daphne-Fairhope
No Change
Dothan-Ozark-Enterprise
No Change
Jackson County in NE Alabama was added to the Chattanooga CSA
Chambers County which was in the Atlanta CSA is now in the Columbus-Auburn CSA
Montgomery does not have a CSA??. It wasnt on the list.
I take it from the SF-OAK MSA and SJ MSA being separated here that they didn't combine them into one MSA. What will it take for this to happen to finally accurately reflect the size of the Bay Area's MSA (SF-OAK-SJ)?
The CSA is so ridiculously huge, but the MSA's are split up and don't reflect the metro area at all...guess we'll just have to keep explaining this distinction in future threads where the size/definition of the Bay Area comes up (an inevitable discussion so long as SF-OAK and SJ are split into two).
It's not just the Bay Area that has this issue. We're all just going to have to live with it.
Uh Oh....just noticed a trend that appears to be accelerating at a very fast pace:
2010 County-to-County
Sacramento-Solano 6,089
Yolo-Solano 5,046
Sacramento-Alameda 2,801
Sacramento-Contra Costa 2,137
Sacramento-Santa Clara 2,022
Sacramento-San Francisco 1,926
Sacramento-San Mateo 1,029
Placer-Solano 743
Yolo-Contra Costa 667
Placer-Santa Clara 662
Sacramento-Marin 626
Placer-Alameda 647
Yolo-Alameda 593
El Dorado-Alameda 492
Yolo-San Francisco 470
El Dorado-Santa Clara 436
Placer-San Mateo 414
Sacramento-Sonoma 389
Sacramento-Napa 373
El Dorado-Contra Costa 358
Placer-San Francisco 325
Placer-Contra Costa 308
Yolo-Santa Clara 263
El Dorado-San Francisco 247
El Dorado-San Francisco 204
Yolo-Napa 171
Yolo-Sonoma 161
Yolo-San Mateo 159
El Dorado-Solano 151
Yolo-Marin 120
El Dorado-Sonoma-105
Placer-Sonoma 102
Total: 2010 Sacramento Metro-Bay Area daily commuters 30,236 2000 Sacramento Metro-Bay Area daily commuters 20,250 2000-2010 +49.3%
The only commuting numbers that are relevant are the ones from any county in sacramento to the core counties in the bay and any county in the bay to the core counties in sacramento.
If commuting to all counties were considered states like California and Florida would turn into one giant metro
I don't think we can call it "Bay Area" anymore but instead Greater Bay Area (akin to Greater New York, Greater Los Angeles, Greater Chicago, Greater Houston, Greater Metroplex, so on) since it has three counties not touching the San Francisco Bay now with San Benito, Santa Cruz, and San Joaquin.
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Originally Posted by HtownLove
The only commuting numbers that are relevant are the ones from any county in sacramento to the core counties in the bay and any county in the bay to the core counties in sacramento.
They did away with this core county philosophy when they redefined their MSA/CSA just last year.
It's how Stockton was added to the Bay Area, thanks to commuters to already CSA areas of San Francisco/Oakland AND San Jose. It's also why places like Trinity County were added to Huntsville which was in essential added to Houston. It's like every micropolitan and smaller metropolitan now has it's own satellite wing.
You should check on Merced. When Bay Area adds Modesto, Merced will come with it.
Uh Oh....just noticed a trend that appears to be accelerating at a very fast pace:
2010 County-to-County
Sacramento-Solano 6,089
Yolo-Solano 5,046
Sacramento-Alameda 2,801
Sacramento-Contra Costa 2,137
Sacramento-Santa Clara 2,022
Sacramento-San Francisco 1,926
Sacramento-San Mateo 1,029
Placer-Solano 743
Yolo-Contra Costa 667
Placer-Santa Clara 662
Sacramento-Marin 626
Placer-Alameda 647
Yolo-Alameda 593
El Dorado-Alameda 492
Yolo-San Francisco 470
El Dorado-Santa Clara 436
Placer-San Mateo 414
Sacramento-Sonoma 389
Sacramento-Napa 373
El Dorado-Contra Costa 358
Placer-San Francisco 325
Placer-Contra Costa 308
Yolo-Santa Clara 263
El Dorado-San Francisco 247
El Dorado-San Francisco 204
Yolo-Napa 171
Yolo-Sonoma 161
Yolo-San Mateo 159
El Dorado-Solano 151
Yolo-Marin 120
El Dorado-Sonoma-105
Placer-Sonoma 102
Total: 2010 Sacramento Metro-Bay Area daily commuters 30,236 2000 Sacramento Metro-Bay Area daily commuters 20,250 2000-2010 +49.3%
Where did you find the county to county stats for 2010?
I don't think we can call it "Bay Area" anymore but instead Greater Bay Area (akin to Greater New York, Greater Los Angeles, Greater Chicago, Greater Houston, Greater Metroplex, so on) since it has three counties not touching the San Francisco Bay now with San Benito, Santa Cruz, and San Joaquin.
They did away with this core county philosophy when they redefined their MSA/CSA just last year.
It's how Stockton was added to the Bay Area, thanks to commuters to already CSA areas of San Francisco/Oakland AND San Jose. It's also why places like Trinity County were added to Huntsville which was in essential added to Houston. It's like every micropolitan and smaller metropolitan now has it's own satellite wing.
You should check on Merced. When Bay Area adds Modesto, Merced will come with it.
Before this is all over, the Bay Area will be much, much bigger and now we might even absorb Sacramento sooner than I even thought.
I made this map for the sake of projections yesterday and I now Im thinking it might be outdated already. ugh.
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