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View Poll Results: Which is least Southern
Northern Virginia 78 43.58%
South Florida 101 56.42%
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:08 AM
 
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Exactly lol. I really don't think the "Hispanics=not Southern" thing makes any sense. Nor do I think most younger people think like that
Well, Texas and Florida are the only states in the geographic South wherein Hispanics actually have noteworthy contribution to the local culture. That is a trait found nowhere else in the US outside of the Southwest and California.

Come to think of it, Hispanics are far more alien in culture, and provide much starker contrast to the Southern US than Northern Transplants. Even in historic contexts, the Northern US culture really wasn't that far removed from the Southern US - the two regions always did share significant commonalities as it regarded religious roots, as well as observance of Eastern US cultural traditions. In relation to that cultural dynamic, the Hispanics would basically have been an expansion pack - a world beyond the original domain, an achievement to be unlocked, just as the Americas were regarded by the cultures of the "Old World."

So really, a typical Southerner would feel far more at home in NoVa than in South Florida, whether you're looking at culture, character, climate, or landscape. In fact, the Southerner would probably feel more at home across the Mid Atlantic in general compared to South Florida.
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:18 AM
 
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Well, Texas and Florida are the only states in the geographic South wherein Hispanics actually have noteworthy contribution to the local culture. That is a trait found nowhere else in the US outside of the Southwest and California.

Come to think of it, Hispanics are far more alien in culture, and provide much starker contrast to the Southern US than Northern Transplants. Even in historic contexts, the Northern US culture really wasn't that far removed from the Southern US - the two regions always did share significant commonalities as it regarded religious roots, as well as observance of Eastern US cultural traditions. In relation to that cultural dynamic, the Hispanics would basically have been an expansion pack - a world beyond the original domain, an achievement to be unlocked, just as the Americas were regarded by the cultures of the "Old World."

So really, a typical Southerner would feel far more at home in NoVa than in South Florida, whether you're looking at culture, character, climate, or landscape. In fact, the Southerner would probably feel more at home across the Mid Atlantic in general compared to South Florida.
Hispanics in both Texas and Florida largely assimilate to either the white American or black American culture or the state. You seem to think that all Hispanics in the US are either immigrants or act like immigrants, neither of which is true.

And NoVa has a huge Hispanic population anyway
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Old 11-25-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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Hispanics in both Texas and Florida largely assimilate to either the white American or black American culture or the state. You seem to think that all Hispanics in the US are either immigrants or act like immigrants, neither of which is true.
The Hispanics still retain their stark cultural quirks upon assimilation. Whereas Northeastern US transplants become virtually indistinguishable from the local culture in that process.

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And NoVa has a huge Hispanic population anyway
Not as influential and significant as they are in Texas and Florida.
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Old 11-25-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach didn't become cities until well after the Civil War ended. There isn't even Southern history there. Northern VA is not one bit Southern now, but there are traces of Southern history in the region.
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Old 11-25-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach didn't become cities until well after the Civil War ended. There isn't even Southern history there. Northern VA is not one bit Southern now, but there are traces of Southern history in the region.
What's so important about history? WV was on the side of the Union but it is arguably more Southern culturally than Virginia
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What's so important about history? WV was on the side of the Union but it is arguably more Southern culturally than Virginia
The point is South Florida didn't exist at the time of the Civil War and wasn't founded by Southerners either.
Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a widow from Cleveland & developed by Henry Flagler who was from New York.
There are no historical cultural ties to the South like Virginia.
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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The point is South Florida didn't exist at the time of the Civil War and wasn't founded by Southerners either.
Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a widow from Cleveland & developed by Henry Flagler who was from New York.
There are no historical cultural ties to the South like Virginia.

You've been repeating this for years, but it absolutely not true - at all.


The Wm.English Slave Plantation Longhouse | Hidden History Miami
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Old 11-25-2019, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The point is South Florida didn't exist at the time of the Civil War and wasn't founded by Southerners either.
Miami was founded by Julia Tuttle a widow from Cleveland & developed by Henry Flagler who was from New York.
There are no historical cultural ties to the South like Virginia.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/f...orida-11308098

https://deepsouthmag.com/2012/12/14/...entity-crisis/
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You've been repeating this for years, but it absolutely not true - at all.


The Wm.English Slave Plantation Longhouse | Hidden History Miami
A Longhouse built for slaves in the 1840's means what?
Miami didn't even exist then as a city until it's founding in 1896.
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Old 11-25-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Those two articles refer to the history of slavery in Florida which nobody is denying and not specifically South Florida which was unpopulated at the time.
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