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Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and West Palm Beachdidn't become cities until well after the Civil War ended. There isn't even Southern history there. Northern VA is not one bit Southern now, but there are traces of Southern history in the region.
True, but that didn't stop them from having Jim Crow laws until the mid-1960s (segregated schools, buses, neighborhoods, theaters, beaches, etc.)
Why must an area's Southernness revolve around slavery and segregation? Those are the negative parts of Southern history, not things that define the South today
Why must an area's Southernness revolve around slavery and segregation? Those are the negative parts of Southern history, not things that define the South today
I agree, they shouldn't define an areas Southerness. But, it's solid proof as well as a part of the fabric of a place that its history is indeed Southern. There are a lot of people in Miami that are in total denial of any of this, it doesn't fit their narrative.
How did I know there would be a "yeah, but..." in your response?
Sorry Bob, it is what it is. You can't erase nor rewrite history, no matter how hard you try.
What history is there to rewrite? Seriously you act like Miami and south Florida is some bastion of Southern culture when it's not. I grew up there & have lived there for over 4 decades.
Where are the antibellum homes and plantations in it's history? There are none.
Does south Florida have some aspects of Southern culture? Sure it does but it wasn't derived or founded on it and it's not the predominant culture in the region. You should go read the history of Miami & South Florida.
What history is there to rewrite? Seriously you act like Miami and south Florida is some bastion of Southern culture when it's not. I grew up there & have lived there for over 4 decades.
Where are the antibellum homes and plantations in it's history? There are none.
Does south Florida have some aspects of Southern culture? Sure it does but it wasn't derived or founded on it and it's not the predominant culture in the region. You should go read the history of Miami & South Florida.
I have lived in Florida for about half of my life in multiple cities, and go back constantly. I know the place extremely well. You continue to portray a very whitewashed and Chamber of Commerce version of the History of South Florida. It's a fake narrative, and the proof is documented that Miami's roots and History are of the South as much as they are of the Tri-State, Cuba or anywhere else.
I agree, they shouldn't define an areas Southerness. But, it's solid proof as well as a part of the fabric of a place that its history is indeed Southern. There are a lot of people in Miami that are in total denial of any of this, it doesn't fit their narrative.
I think this board is obsessed with the idea that Southern Florida is nothing but unassimilated Cubans and New York transplants
But I personally do not think of it as being removed from the South
And there's Lil Pump who is a Colombian-American from Miami, his accent and style are blatantly Southern to me too (though how natural that is, I'm not sure
Hispanics in both Texas and Florida largely assimilate to either the white American or black American culture or the state. You seem to think that all Hispanics in the US are either immigrants or act like immigrants, neither of which is true.
And NoVa has a huge Hispanic population anyway
Miami is a mix. You got cultural assimilation and cultural segregation in vast numbers amongst various LatinX groups down there. There are many parts of Miami where Southern culture let alone non-LatinX culture is nowhere to be found. It's REALLY a mixed bag. Miami can change from African-American Southern influenced culture to Dominican culture to Cuban culture within a minute drive. While there is cultural overlap(IE African American influenced Cubans like Pitbull or any young Haitian American raised in Black Miami) various groups still tend to have their own enclaves where their homeland culture still dominates. And Miami is different from The South and the rest of the US in which EVERY ethnic neighborhood is an enclave INCLUDING English-speaking, primarily American neighborhoods. An AA neighborhood like Liberty City or Overtown are enclaves in Miami. Just as much as Little Havana is an enclave. Miami is an anomaly in the South and in the US as a whole.
What's so important about history? WV was on the side of the Union but it is arguably more Southern culturally than Virginia
Rural=/=Southern. A higher percentage of WV is more rural than VA, but I've met native West Virginians, and many are conflicted over what they consider themselves. Some of them didn't even have accents.
I think this board is obsessed with the idea that Southern Florida is nothing but unassimilated Cubans and New York transplants
But I personally do not think of it as being removed from the South
And there's Lil Pump who is a Colombian-American from Miami, his accent and style are blatantly Southern to me too (though how natural that is, I'm not sure
Miami is a mixed bag, 4min video clips won't do any justice to what Miami currently or historically is or isn't. Just as much as you can find cultural assimilation, you can find stark cultural segregation in Miami among the Latinos. Cultural assimilation for the sake of making a buck and jumping into the Rap industry, isn't the same as true cultural assimilation due to proximity and or daily influence. Anybody can put on a front "for the culture".
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