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View Poll Results: Which is least Southern
Northern Virginia 78 43.58%
South Florida 101 56.42%
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:48 AM
 
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Where are you getting that Miami Gardens is majority Haitian American? Besides, 1st gen Haitians retain their culture, the 2nd gen Haitians absolutely assimilated into the ADOS culture of Miami. Outside of them speaking creole, when they speak English, 2nd and 3rd gen Haitians sound and act no different from the ADOS of Miami. Did you see the video I posted earlier? That might be Belle Glade but that is similar to many parts of urban South Florida.

Again, you were wrong in stating this.

This is not factual and might I add, laughable. I been to restaurants where they eat fish and grits. Many "missionary" baptists churches littered around South Florida. Lazy tongue speaking folks who cut their words short. This exists in South Florida and you don't have to look to find it. I got fam and friends in what was known in Carol City that always looked at themselves as Southern. Sorry.
Foreign born in NoVa: 26%
https://www.novaregiondashboard.com/...-and-immgrants

Foreign born in South FL: 51%
https://metropolitan.fiu.edu/researc...ion-nation.pdf

But please, tell me more about how South FL has more “southern culture” than NoVa - lol.
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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With regards to the native/locals, Miami is one of the most Southern cities in culture in the US. Not a bad thing by any means.
Exactly. Nothing wrong with being Southern and the culture of the South is indeed in Miami.

Nobody can listen to this Santana Moss interview and say he doesn't have a Southern accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYU8vJ6tUOE
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:51 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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The fact that you don’t realize the black population in South FL is majority Haitian and Caribbean American tells me you know little to nothing about South FL.

And the fact that you’re arguing [and moving goal posts] about what comprises NoVa by screaming “Arlington!” And “Tysons!” when there is a *lot* of vastly rural areas within tells me you’re either purposely trying to mislead or really don’t know how rural NoVa actually is.
You're not familiar with my posts, so I'll gloss over your ignorance of my knowledge of anything regarding South FL. With that said Caribbean population and all, there's still more Southern Blacks in Miami/Broward than Northern Virginia. Now if your point were the rest of Virginia, we could begin to argue. But you simply don't realize anything about the Black population in NOVA if you think they are more "rural, southern, or country" (however you like to play it up, because I don't conflate those together) than South FL Blacks. Blacks in NOVA don't wear gold teeth, nor have deep southern accents.

This is how Blacks from NOVA talk:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBCW1voiSKo

Miami Blacks in large part claim the South for godsake.
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:52 AM
 
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Foreign born in NoVa: 26%
https://www.novaregiondashboard.com/...-and-immgrants

Foreign born in South FL: 51%
https://metropolitan.fiu.edu/researc...ion-nation.pdf

But please, tell me more about how South FL has more “southern culture” than NoVa - lol.
I don't care about South Fla being more Southern than NOVA. I am discussing your nonfactual statement of there is no Southern culture at all in South Florida.
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:54 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Foreign born in NoVa: 26%
https://www.novaregiondashboard.com/...-and-immgrants

Foreign born in South FL: 51%
https://metropolitan.fiu.edu/researc...ion-nation.pdf

But please, tell me more about how South FL has more “southern culture” than NoVa - lol.
We're talking about the natives born and raised, not the immigrants. Local Miami is "MORE" southern than local NOVA. And by that we ain't talking Front Royal, VA mountains 2 hrs from DC.
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:55 AM
 
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Exactly. Nothing wrong with being Southern and the culture of the South is indeed in Miami.

Nobody can listen to this Santana Moss interview and say he doesn't have a Southern accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYU8vJ6tUOE
Nobody said *anything* about southern culture being “wrong”. It’s just not prevalent in Miami’s metro, as evidenced by the statistic posted that greater than half of its inhabitants being foreign born.

Re: Santana Moss, African-American Vernacular English shares a large portion of its grammar and phonology with the rural dialects of the Southern United States. This is true for those who live in New York City, as well. It’s pretty widely known.

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We're talking about the natives born and raised, not the immigrants. Local Miami is "MORE" southern than local NOVA. And by that we ain't talking Front Royal, VA mountains 2 hrs from DC.
No, and now you’re trying to, once again, move the goal posts. We’re talking about area vs area and 100% of its inhabitants. Just like geographical boundaries, you don’t get to cherry pick who fits your narrative.
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:59 AM
 
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You're not familiar with my posts, so I'll gloss over your ignorance of my knowledge of anything regarding South FL. With that said Caribbean population and all, there's still more Southern Blacks in Miami/Broward than Northern Virginia. Now if your point were the rest of Virginia, we could begin to argue. But you simply don't realize anything about the Black population in NOVA if you think they are more "rural, southern, or country" (however you like to play it up, because I don't conflate those together) than South FL Blacks. Blacks in NOVA don't wear gold teeth, nor have deep southern accents.

This is how Blacks from NOVA talk:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBCW1voiSKo

Miami Blacks in large part claim the South for godsake.
I hate to go on a youtube binge but the rappers in Miami always repped the South.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PO-Ur7-ozM

People love to discuss the large Caribbean population of Miami but like to ignore that there is still a large population of Southern Blacks in Dade/Broward/Palm Beach counties. The entirety of them.
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:01 AM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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Exactly. Nothing wrong with being Southern and the culture of the South is indeed in Miami.

Nobody can listen to this Santana Moss interview and say he doesn't have a Southern accent.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYU8vJ6tUOE
Man all them boys Southern down there lol...We love "Tana" in the DMV btw.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucCvHM4Tq88
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:02 AM
 
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People love to discuss the large Caribbean population of Miami but like to ignore that there is still a large population of Southern Blacks in Dade/Broward/Palm Beach counties. The entirety of them.
Perhaps that’s because:

“The Miami metro area has the largest share of black immigrants. Thirty four percent of the black population in Miami are immigrants compared to 28 percent in New York and 15 percent in Washington.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mia...e18228377.html

And that was as of 2015 - considering the massive influx of Haitians to the US, particularly South FL, it’s likely much higher in 2021.

You two are trying hard, but you’re not doing well when presented with statistics.
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Re: Santana Moss, African-American Vernacular English shares a large portion of its grammar and phonology with the rural dialects of the Southern United States. This is true for those who live in New York City, as well. It’s pretty widely known.


What??? So you're telling me Nicki Minaj sounds like the girls from City Girls? Or that Jay-Z sounds like the Rae Sremmurd kids? LOL.

South Florida has strong Southern culture. How is this even being argued against?

And this isn't just blacks either... Local whites are also typically of Southern culture. Most of the ones I have met (through work, college, kids' sports games, etc.) sound just like the DeerMeatForDinner guy. They listen to country/bluegrass. They ride giant buggies through swamps while out hog hunting (or hunting really whatever animal they run into.)
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