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Old 03-15-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I wonder why Union Square is the Manhattan park picked for this comparison, as opposed to Bryant Park, Washington Square or Madison Square Park (all of which I think are more similar to Rittenhouse)?

Also, the area right around Gramercy Park feels a lot like Rittenhouse, but the fact that the park itself is gated makes it a bad comparison.

One other thing is that Rittenhouse has been a more of less very nice place to be basically forever. Whereas not so many years ago Union Square was unsafe, and a huge junkie hangout.

I considered Bryant Park and almost put it instead but I went with Union Square instead. It's difficult with NYC because there are so many great urban parks.
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: The City
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I considered Bryant Park and almost put it instead but I went with Union Square instead. It's difficult with NYC because there are so many great urban parks.

MD what do you think is the best Sq/Circle in DC?
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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MD what do you think is the best Sq/Circle in DC?

LOL...well we don't really have anything like Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square etc. I guess the National Mall but that is not the same thing. It's not a true urban neighborhood park like the parks and square's we are talking about. The problem with D.C. parks outside of the National Mall is they don't really have anything going on in them. They are just there for people to use but there's no organization of activities or festivals. Alot of the land is National Capital Park and Planning Land and you know how that goes. I think Canal Park and the Yards Park on the waterfront have the potential to rival Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square in a couple years as that area get's built out. They have all the necessary tools to be great urban parks. They are just new right now and the neighborhood is not done.

Another option, but we won't know until we find out what they are going to do is Franklin Square in downtown. They are planning to rebuild it and add things to make it more like a Rittenhouse Square, Bryant Park, or Union Square but I have no idea what the redevelopment is going to be so who know's.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: The City
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LOL...well we don't really have anything like Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square etc. I guess the National Mall but that is not a true urban park like the parks and square's we are talking about. I think Canal Park and the Yards Park on the waterfront have the potential to rival Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square in a couple years as that area get's built out. They have all the necessary tools to be great urban parks. They are just new right now and the neighborhood is not done.

Another option, but we won't know until we find out what they are going to do is Franklin Square in downtown. They are planning to rebuild it and add things to make it more like a Rittenhouse Square, Bryant Park, or Union Square but I have no idea what the redevelopment is going to be so who know's.

Yeah. Was just thinking about places like Dupont Circle for example, about the same size as Rittenhouse Sq and in a great area yet not quite the activity it seems in the park itself. Think these would be more utilized honestly (not that there is nothing that goes on there but seems like more potential)

Some Size perspective
Rittenhouse Sq
Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia, PA - Google Maps

Dupont Circle
dupont circle washington dc - Google Maps

And Union Sq (NYC)
Union Square, New York, NY - Google Maps
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Yeah. Was just thinking about places like Dupont Circle for example, about the same size as Rittenhouse Sq and in a great area yet not quite the activity it seems in the park itself. Think these would be more utilized honestly (not that there is nothing that goes on there but seems like more potential)

Some Size perspective
Rittenhouse Sq
Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia, PA - Google Maps

Dupont Circle
dupont circle washington dc - Google Maps

And Union Sq (NYC)
Union Square, New York, NY - Google Maps
Yeah, Dupont would be the closest thing. Logan Circle is also nice but there's no retail around it.

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LOL...well we don't really have anything like Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square etc. I guess the National Mall but that is not the same thing. It's not a true urban neighborhood park like the parks and square's we are talking about. The problem with D.C. parks outside of the National Mall is they don't really have anything going on in them. They are just there for people to use but there's no organization of activities or festivals. Alot of the land is National Capital Park and Planning Land and you know how that goes. I think Canal Park and the Yards Park on the waterfront have the potential to rival Rittenhouse/Bryant/Union Square in a couple years as that area get's built out. They have all the necessary tools to be great urban parks. They are just new right now and the neighborhood is not done.


Another option, but we won't know until we find out what they are going to do is Franklin Square in downtown. They are planning to rebuild it and add things to make it more like a Rittenhouse Square, Bryant Park, or Union Square but I have no idea what the redevelopment is going to be so who know's.
I think it will be hard to get the scale right in those developments. It's really the scale that makes Rittenhouse and Dupont attractive destinations. They are very "cozy" for lack of a better word. The wider streets and the glassy steel buildings of these new developments have a harder time conveying the same sense of place and scale. Even if they become very active areas, they still won't be as desirable as Dupont. Nobody's going to be inspired to write a novel in Yards Park.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: back in Philadelphia!
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Yeah. Was just thinking about places like Dupont Circle for example, about the same size as Rittenhouse Sq and in a great area yet not quite the activity it seems in the park itself. Think these would be more utilized honestly (not that there is nothing that goes on there but seems like more potential)

Some Size perspective
Rittenhouse Sq
Rittenhouse Square, Philadelphia, PA - Google Maps

Dupont Circle
dupont circle washington dc - Google Maps

And Union Sq (NYC)
Union Square, New York, NY - Google Maps
Interesting! Nice post.

Panning around Manhattan at the same scale definitely confirms my feeling that Washington Sq, Bryant Pk, and Madison Sq Pk are all much better examples than Union Sq for a similar park to Rittenhouse. (hope these links work!).

Union Square's green area is small, and so much of it is paving, especially after the work that's been done to expand it into the streets over the last couple of years.

Washington Square

Bryant Park

Madison Square Park
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:06 PM
 
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The hell is going on in that second Philly video? Looks like a bunch of future criminals gathering for what is soon to be a riot.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Rittenhouse Square is the classiest public space in this country. There is no comparison with anywhere else. Union Square is a dump, TBH. The only good thing about it is the farmers market.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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I have a crazy question: Is Rittenhouse Sq considered CC? I parked on Locust street, a half block away from Rittenhouse Sq., but I didn't know if I was technically in CC as well.
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