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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Washington D.C. 21 14.48%
Philadelphia P.A. 124 85.52%
Voters: 145. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-21-2013, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Yes, I'm aware of that. Downtown Philly would have more than downtown Miami. However, the highrises don't stop at the border if you include other areas lined with more of them that extend 50-60 miles north as far away as North Palm Beach. Only NYC and Chicago would have more than SFLA unless you throw in Toronto to include the rest of North America. I'm not sure about Vancouver.
source: http://2s2u.com/p2go.com/wp-content/...ne-Florida.jpg

Miami to Philly is an apples to oranges comparison. Nothing in Miami resembles the urban built form of Philly. It's really not close.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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OK, but even if Philly does have all these row homes, they are still "urban" row homes and easier to get around with far narrower streets than a bunch of spaced out larger buildings. Why shouldn't these row home areas be counted into the urban residential format?
Since the title of the thread is "Philadelphia Vs. Washington D.C. Which is more urban/dense" row homes are an urban characteristic trait so it counts while a suburban home with a drive way and garage shouldn't. Row homes like highrises are part of a city's over all urban fabric so yes they should count. In the city, you have the urban highrise/midrise residents and row home residents. It's these group categories that make up the city which also includes row homes.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:29 PM
 
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Miami to Philly is an apples to oranges comparison. Nothing in Miami resembles the urban built form of Philly. It's really not close.
Of course, they are different. They are two different styles so they shouldn't resemble each other. Philly has more emphasis on history and row houses while Miami is a new version of urban with more emphasis on highrise living. There's old urban and then there's new urban.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Yes, I'm aware of that. Downtown Philly would have more than downtown Miami. However, the highrises don't stop at the border if you include other areas lined with more of them that extend 50-60 miles north as far away as North Palm Beach. Only NYC and Chicago would have more than SFLA unless you throw in Toronto to include the rest of North America. I'm not sure about Vancouver.
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Miami's skyline.

First one.

Second one.

Last one.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Of course, they are different. They are two different styles so they shouldn't resemble each other. Philly has more emphasis on history and row houses while Miami is a new version of urban with more emphasis on highrise living. There's old urban and then there's new urban.

See that is the problem. Miami high-rise’s aren't built urban at all. To be urban, a high-rise must come right up to the street, have parking underground or in structured parking that is consolidated under the current building footprint. You shouldn't have a parking garage structure that is larger than the building footprint. That is how you lose urbanity. Miami is notorious for this. They also build setbacks around building which is pretty bad too. Take a look at the Miami picture to see what I mean. Way too much space between buildings. Pools should be on the roof. There should be no room for trees except lining the street. Where does someone begin with all these things going on?
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:38 PM
 
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Always liked the images from the water for Miami

You can really start to get an idea for how long the high rise wall goes
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Amazing shots I use to live in one of those highrises in the skyline. I miss the highrise life style. In relevance to the thread I wonder who has the tallest residential highrise tower between Philly and DC.
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: The City
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Now your being facetious...
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Old 10-21-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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There are many things that make up urbanity to me, a lot of these are related to density. building density both high rise/low rise, population density, entertainment density and the density that public transit can bring people into clustered zones. i.e. to use london as an example, it has a high entertainment density in central london even if the population density there isn't that dense, along with an incredible public transit, the perception is that it is very urban.

things that break this up are streets that are too wide, too many detached housing, drive ways with garages, not enough entertainment, not enough people on the street per lack of good transit.

also, Miami looks good from afar, but street level urbanity sucks and most people just drive back and forth everywhere. Whether you live in a multi unit apartment, row house, or high rise, street level design is the most important aspect (unless you are a bird) or just like to view where you live from 2 miles away.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=miami...220.46,,0,0.14

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Old 10-21-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Amazing shots I use to live in one of those highrises in the skyline. I miss the highrise life style. In relevance to the thread I wonder who has the tallest residential highrise tower between Philly and DC.
Miami becomes more like a tropical Southern version of Chicago as each year passes, skyline wise. Architectural style differences notwithstanding but the linear development and the development along the waterfront is similar enough.

This shot for example, reminds me of the area where the Trump Tower sits on the Chicago River, separating River North from the Loop.
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