CHICAGO vs CLEVELAND ... These Results May Surprise Many Of You! (live, people)
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I saw those numbers too. Kinda amazing that from 2000 to 2010 the population of the city declined by around 185,000, yet the population of those with college degrees increased by 187,000. That's a HUGE swing.
The overall 10,000 decline from 2007 to 2011 for the county as a whole is one thing, although I'm willing to bet it's centered mostly in suburban Cook County than the city itself.
Cook County as a whole saw a 230,073 increase in people with college degrees from 2000-2012; with 81% of that increase within the city. Talk about gentrification.
I saw those numbers too. Kinda amazing that from 2000 to 2010 the population of the city declined by around 185,000, yet the population of those with college degrees increased by 187,000. That's a HUGE swing.
The overall 10,000 decline from 2007 to 2011 for the county as a whole is one thing, although I'm willing to bet it's centered mostly in suburban Cook County than the city itself.
Cook County as a whole saw a 230,073 increase in people with college degrees from 2000-2012; with 81% of that increase within the city. Talk about gentrification.
I would be interested in seeing if the poverty rate decreased and if there is a increase in incomes. I know many older cities are seeing a increase in educated 20 somethings.
From what I understand, the 200000 decrease seems to be across all economic levels though mostly on the south and west side of the city. Also do you think Chicago could maintain 2.7 million residents with average income of let's say 65 to 80k?
If we're losing unskilled, uneducated people, and gaining skilled, educated ones, is that really a bad thing?
That's basically what Pittsburgh started to do in the 2000's, and I'd say it's had some pretty good results despite the negative population growth between 2000 and 2010. In the 21st Century, the quality of the migration matters more than the quantity.
Cleaveland surprises me. In the 1950s it had a population of nearly 1 million. And Euclid Ave is wonderful! Really a shame that the once-great Midwestern cities fell so hard. One thing I wonder about: how did Chicago keep such a high population? Cleaveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, the big Midwestern cities, all had huge populations and then declined massively. How exactly did Chicago not follow this trend?
Cleaveland surprises me. In the 1950s it had a population of nearly 1 million. And Euclid Ave is wonderful! Really a shame that the once-great Midwestern cities fell so hard. One thing I wonder about: how did Chicago keep such a high population? Cleaveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, the big Midwestern cities, all had huge populations and then declined massively. How exactly did Chicago not follow this trend?
Chicago was logistically a more important city than any other in the Midwest, being the country's largest railroad hub. They were larger to begin with, and, perhaps due to leadership, were able to transition to a post industrial economy better than the other cities. Make no mistake, they still have problems; just look at Gary, IN, which is basically a suburb of Chicago, and for the most part is no better off than many neighborhoods of the worst neighborhoods of Cleveland and Detroit. But being the largest city in the midwest, and the country's railroad hub helped it maintain its economy better during the deindustrialization of the midwest.
I would be interested in seeing if the poverty rate decreased and if there is a increase in incomes. I know many older cities are seeing a increase in educated 20 somethings.
From what I understand, the 200000 decrease seems to be across all economic levels though mostly on the south and west side of the city. Also do you think Chicago could maintain 2.7 million residents with average income of let's say 65 to 80k?
I believe the actual poverty rate remained somewhat the same. However the median household income increased substantially.
I would be interested in seeing if the poverty rate decreased and if there is a increase in incomes. I know many older cities are seeing a increase in educated 20 somethings.
From what I understand, the 200,000 decrease seems to be across all economic levels though mostly on the south and west side of the city. Also do you think Chicago could maintain 2.7 million residents with average income of let's say 65 to 80k?
Minors under the age of 18 and senior citizens were 160,000 (80%) of the total 200,000 drop in population. Probably not the biggest source of income for the city. I would think income levels rose.
The spread was certainly not equal - some of the big movements or changes from the past:
114,000 (57%) of the total loss was black people under the age of 19.
45,000 (23%) of the total loss was white people over the age of 70
13,000 gain in the number of white people under the age of 9
46,000 growth in the number of white people ages 25-34
205,000 loss in the number of black people under age 44, offset by 25,000 gain in blacks over age 44
Hispanics gained 25,000, with generally the younger ages declining in population made up by growth of those over 35. Fairly even spread of loss/growth.
Asians gained a total of around 25,000 people across every age group, although the biggest pop was those aged 20-40 with most other ages barely moving.
Whites gained 60,000 people under age 34, lost of around 30,000 people aged 35-55, some growth age 55-70 and then steep losses of those over age 70.
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