CHICAGO vs CLEVELAND ... These Results May Surprise Many Of You! (compared, place)

[Cleverfield]

Cleveland is not at all like a Little Chicago. We have a culture and a rich history all our own.

[costello_musicman]

Downtown Cleveland is quietly chugging along...related to the demographic listed in the article.

This is only Downtown Cleveland, other city neighborhoods (University Circle, Ohio City, Detroit-Shoreway...have some high volume of units under construction). I am cursious to how this compares to Downtown Chicago...does Cleveland carry more "per capita" or percent growth?

Downtown Cleveland New Residential (2268 total new units 2013-2016):
1) Avenue District -- 56 units (completed 2013)
2) Lofts at Rosetta -- 97 units (completed 2013)
3) Reserve Square -- 218 units (completed 2013)
4) The Langston -- 318 units (completed 2013)
5) Residences at the Hanna -- 201 units (completed 2013)
6) The Seasons at Perk Park -- 33 units (completed 2013)
7) Schofield -- 55 units (under construction for fall 2014)
8) The 9 -- 104 units (under construction for fall 2014)
9) Swetland Building -- 80 units (under construction for fall 2014)
10) Truman Building -- 26 units (under construction for fall 2014)
11) Residences at 1717 -- 223 units (under construction for fall 2014)
12) MT Silver -- 39 units (under constrction for fall 2014)
13) Flats East Bank Phase II -- 245 units (under construction for summer 2015)
14) 1224 Huron -- 9 units (planned for summer 2015)
15) Park-Southworth Buildings -- 34 units (planned for winter 2015)
16) May Company Building -- 350 units (planned for 2016)
17) Worthington Co. Warehouse -- 83 units (planned for 2016)
18) Lincoln Building -- 17 units (planned for 2016)
19) 1220 Huron -- 80 units (planned for 2016)

7 new hotels (totaling 1887 new hotel rooms):
1) Aloft -- 150 rooms (completed 2012)
2) Westin -- 481 rooms (under construction for spring 2014)
3) The Metropolitan, Marriot Autograph Collection -- 150 rooms (under construction for fall 2014)
4) Kimpton Properties @ Schofield -- 120 rooms (under construction for winter 2014)
5) Drury Plaza Hotel -- 180 rooms (planned fall 2015 opening)
6) 30-story Hilton Convention Center Hotel -- 600 rooms (under construction for summer 2016 opening)
7) Le Meridien -- 206 rooms (planned winter 2016 opening)

[reretarff]

Cleveland is going through a great change right now. Fixing the once abandoned neighborhoods one house at a time. The amount of redevelopment happening in Cleveland is incredible. And Cleveland's thriving University Circle neighborhood, containing much of Cleveland's things to do, such as the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals campuses and headquarters there, Cleveland's art district, Cleveland's Little Italy neighborhood, Cleveland's world famous Cleveland Orchestra, and most of Cleveland's museums and art galleries, along with the end part of the world famous Rockefeller Park. Cleveland is better than Chicago any day.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by GatsbyGatz

Cleaveland surprises me. In the 1950s it had a population of nearly 1 million. And Euclid Ave is wonderful! Really a shame that the once-great Midwestern cities fell so hard. One thing I wonder about: how did Chicago keep such a high population? Cleaveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, the big Midwestern cities, all had huge populations and then declined massively. How exactly did Chicago not follow this trend?

First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Chicago is nearly a million off its population peak. But in terms of keeping a higher percentage of population than other Great Lakes/Rust-Belt cities, chalk it up to its strategic location as the Midwest's main transportation hub and the attendant economic diversity of manufacture/distribution/logistics/money-changing/insurance/legal services, etc.

[ghdana]

I'm from the northeast, however I've had an internship in central IL which makes me a little biased. I know a lot of people my age moving to Chicago because they want to live in a city and be closish to home. Almost everyone who didnt accept a returning offer wad moving there.

I know 4 people with bachelors from Cleveland and they all want out.

I personally would never move to either, but Cleveland and basically an place in Ohio is near the bottom of my list.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by ghdana

I'm from the northeast, however I've had an internship in central IL which makes me a little biased. I know a lot of people my age moving to Chicago because they want to live in a city and be closish to home. Almost everyone who didnt accept a returning offer wad moving there.

I know 4 people with bachelors from Cleveland and they all want out.

I personally would never move to either, but Cleveland and basically an place in Ohio is near the bottom of my list.

I know 4 people with bachelors from Cleveland and don't want out. I know 4 more with bachelors degrees who left Cleveland who want to move back.

What's your point?

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by Drover

First, let's not lose sight of the fact that Chicago is nearly a million off its population peak.

what on earth does Chicago being "nearly a million off its population peak" matter? The Chicago that does matter is not a municipality; it hardly ends at city limits. Chicagoland, the real Chicago, continues to grow and doesn't decline.

San Antonio: 1,382,951
Austin: 842,592
Jacksonville: 836,507
Indianapolis: 834,852
San Francisco: 825,863
Columbus: 809,798
Ft Worth: 777,992
El Paso: 672,538
Memphis: 655,155
Boston: 636,479

If you looked at the above, you might conclude that San Francisco and Boston were rather small cities, places of little importance. If you looked at the populations of the Bay Area and Metro Boston, you'd really know how totally absurd those notions are. Cal and Stanford are San Francisco; so what if they are in Berkeley and Palo Alto respectively. Harvard and MIT are Boston; so what if they are both in Cambridge.

From Wisconsin to Indiana, Chicagoland sprawls out and is an incredible global powerhouse, an alpha city by any measure.

You'll note that I am a Chicagoan. So what? Does any of this diminish Cleveland? Hell, no. Cleveland has a lot going for itself. Maybe one of the things it has going for itself is that it is not as big as Chicago, not as crowded. Just like I, as a Chicagoan, am damn thankful my city isn't New York: mind boggling big, mind boggling dense, mind boggling complex. Does that mean I don't think NYC is a great city? another Hell No! And speaking of hell, how can you turn Chicago into one: crowd six million more people into it to make it the size of New York.

there is something a bit sick in all of us that we think things have to be bigger, taller, all the superlatives in face of a world that is dying due to the endless growth of the human race and its desire for more, more, more. And if you don't think that very world is going to challenge the population numbers of every city above and all the rest of them, you're living in a dream world. The real world is on a crash course that will prove you wrong. And in far less time than you think.

And for the record, Cleveland (390,928) runs rings around El Paso (672,538) as a city any day of the week; the two are simply not in the same league.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by edsg25

what on earth does Chicago being "nearly a million off its population peak" matter? The Chicago that does matter is not a municipality; it hardly ends at city limits. Chicagoland, the real Chicago, continues to grow and doesn't decline.

San Antonio: 1,382,951
Austin: 842,592
Jacksonville: 836,507
Indianapolis: 834,852
San Francisco: 825,863
Columbus: 809,798
Ft Worth: 777,992
El Paso: 672,538
Memphis: 655,155
Boston: 636,479

If you looked at the above, you might conclude that San Francisco and Boston were rather small cities, places of little importance. If you looked at the populations of the Bay Area and Metro Boston, you'd really know how totally absurd those notions are. Cal and Stanford are San Francisco; so what if they are in Berkeley and Palo Alto respectively. Harvard and MIT are Boston; so what if they are both in Cambridge.

From Wisconsin to Indiana, Chicagoland sprawls out and is an incredible global powerhouse, an alpha city by any measure.

You'll note that I am a Chicagoan. So what? Does any of this diminish Cleveland? Hell, no. Cleveland has a lot going for itself. Maybe one of the things it has going for itself is that it is not as big as Chicago, not as crowded. Just like I, as a Chicagoan, am damn thankful my city isn't New York: mind boggling big, mind boggling dense, mind boggling complex. Does that mean I don't think NYC is a great city? another Hell No! And speaking of hell, how can you turn Chicago into one: crowd six million more people into it to make it the size of New York.

there is something a bit sick in all of us that we think things have to be bigger, taller, all the superlatives in face of a world that is dying due to the endless growth of the human race and its desire for more, more, more. And if you don't think that very world is going to challenge the population numbers of every city above and all the rest of them, you're living in a dream world. The real world is on a crash course that will prove you wrong. And in far less time than you think.

And for the record, Cleveland (390,928) runs rings around El Paso (672,538) as a city any day of the week; the two are simply not in the same league.

Whoa, you're ideas are way too complex for the narratives of the average City vs. City forum poster. Bigger = better. 100% of the time. Get out of here with your nonsense.

[edsg25]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Whoa, you're ideas are way too complex for the narratives of the average City vs. City forum poster. Bigger = better. 100% of the time. Get out of here with your nonsense.

guilty as charged, bjim

[Drover]

Originally Posted by edsg25

what on earth does Chicago being "nearly a million off its population peak" matter?

If you'd read the post I responded to and processed my response in context, you'd have your answer and you could have saved yourself the effort of writing a tome in response.