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I disagree, are you saying Huntington Park, South Gate, Lynwood, Downey, Torrance, Manhattan beach etc. Feel like burbs of Long Beach? Only cities I would say feel somewhat like suburbs of Long Beach are Lakewood, Compton, Carson, and Cerritos.
That's mostly what I meant by the Gateway Cities / South Bay. Those cities + Compton, Lomita and Paramount. I guess I should have said parts of the Gateway Cities and South Bay because I didn't mean the entire regions.
Would anyone in the Seattle area consider Bellevue Washington to be a good "second city?" I have only spent a limited amount of time in Seattle, so I'm not familiar enough to chime in with my own opinion, but it certainly looks to be a good candidate on paper. Maybe Tacoma is a better choice, but Bellevue is closer.
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just saw this. Point taken.
Bellevue feels like a booming suburb that's still growing up, but it feels closer to Seattle than say Tacoma(or Everett) in some ways--both geographically and culturally. It sort of reminds me of a Northern Virginia exurb of DC that's built some density though is still a suburb at heart. As time goes on, Bellevue will grow into it's own identity more--the downtown core is impressive for how quickly it's developed.
Oakland constantly plays second fiddle to San Francisco.
On my visits to Seattle everyone there I talked to considered the other big city there Tacoma, which was definitely considered not only the second city in the region, but second-rate as well. I've never been to Tacoma ( Is there any reason for a visitor to go?) so this is all hearsay. But from what I've heard Tacoma gets no love from Seattle.
And it may be stretching it a bit, but Baltimore is very much a second city to DC. I knowpeople who work in one city and live in the other, and they say it's not at all uncommon to do so, especially for those working in DC and looking to escape its high housing prices. But Baltimore does get the short end of the stick when the two cities are compared.
Oakland constantly plays second fiddle to San Francisco.
On my visits to Seattle everyone there I talked to considered the other big city there Tacoma, which was definitely considered not only the second city in the region, but second-rate as well. I've never been to Tacoma ( Is there any reason for a visitor to go?) so this is all hearsay. But from what I've heard Tacoma gets no love from Seattle.
And it may be stretching it a bit, but Baltimore is very much a second city to DC. I knowpeople who work in one city and live in the other, and they say it's not at all uncommon to do so, especially for those working in DC and looking to escape its high housing prices. But Baltimore does get the short end of the stick when the two cities are compared.
Hamilton and Oshawa are secondary city centres in the shadow of Toronto.
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