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Old 09-19-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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I'm a little surprised Dallas-Fort Worth isn't higher than Houston.
Dallas is a victim of not having a central industry, similar to the way Chicago and Boston have to view their economies compared to the Bay Area (technology), New York (finance), Houston (energy), or Washington (government).

Dallas' economy is very big and diverse (and clearly as the numbers show, quite successful and prosperous) but it's still less lucrative than Houston's central energy industry. Dallas is the jack of all trades, which is nothing to scoff at for the record, as it maintains an environment where a diverse set of skills are applied and developed. However less lucrative indeed, nonetheless.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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There are special accommodations made for the New York-Philly area but other than that, there are no conspiracies.
What special accomodations would that be?
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Cumberland County, NJ
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What special accomodations would that be?
As if you don't know.
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:18 PM
 
Location: The City
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A criteria is met and that's that. It's not a matter of opinion.

MSAs can seem ridiculous as well if we follow your logic. The eastern edge of Long Island is like 175 miles from the western edge of the NY MSA in Pennsylvania-without considering the criteria, that seema just as "worthless" as any bemoaning the valudity of CSAs.
mostly true but not always the case. today NYC and Philly meet the CSA connection criteria. The census elected to keep them separate (I would agree with this IMHO) - they do over-ride certain criteria.

Also the BEA make judgment calls too. They add back now NYC CSA counties into the Philly region for certain analysis as the deem functionally are more tied than commuter rates accros county lines to job centers in central Jersey.


On the edge of LI to Northampton county - ok but really it adds few people and little economics to the equation
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Old 09-19-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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A criteria is met and that's that. It's not a matter of opinion.
That doesnt make it the best measurment of an area.

By the time you start looking at CSA's youre talking about communities that are far flung from the center of the area. They arent representative of the area, they are communities that depend on the larger city. The criteria to achieve CSA is very low (only 5% commuting).
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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That doesnt make it the best measurment of an area.

By the time you start looking at CSA's youre talking about communities that are far flung from the center of the area. They arent representative of the area, they are communities that depend on the larger city. The criteria to achieve CSA is very low (only 5% commuting).
Whether by MSA or CSA, it's not determined by "communities" but by counties.
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Old 09-19-2014, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
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Whether by MSA or CSA, it's not determined by "communities" but by counties.
Yes, I know. My point is still the same.
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:11 PM
 
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United States population centers versus the countries of the world:
01. United States: $16.8 Trillion
02. China: $9.240 Trillion
03. Japan: $4.901 Trillion
04. Germany: $3.634 Trillion
05. France: $2.735 Trillion
06. United Kingdom: $2.522 Trillion
07. Brazil: $2.245 Trillion
08. Russia: $2.097 Trillion
09. Italy: $2.071 Trillion
10. India: $1.876 Trillion
11. Canada: $1.825 Trillion
- Greater New York: $1.683 Trillion
12. Australia: $1.560 Trillion
13. Spain: $1.358 Trillion
14. South Korea: $1.304 Trillion
15. Mexico: $1.261 Trillion
- Greater Los Angeles: $1 Trillion
16. Indonesia: $868.346 Billion
17. Turkey: $820,207 Billion
18, Netherlands: $800.173 Billion
19. Saudi Arabia: $745.273 Billion
- Greater San Francisco Bay Area: $664.687 Billion
- Greater Washington and Baltimore: $657.039 Billion

20. Switzerland: $650.782 Billion
21. Argentina: $611.755 Billion
- Greater Chicago: $597.805 Billion
22. Sweden: $557.938 Billion
23. Nigeria: $522.638 Billion
24. Poland: $517.543 Billion
- Greater Houston: $517.367 Billion
- Greater Boston: $514.586 Billion

25. Norway: $512.580 Billion
26. Belgium: $$508.116 Billion
- Greater Dallas: $451.436 Billion
27. Venezuela: $438.284 Billion
- Greater Philadelphia: $429.838 Billion
28. Austria: $415.844 Billion
29. Thailand: $ 387.252 Billion
30. United Arab Emirates: $383.799 Billion
31. Colombia: $378.148 Billion
32. Iran: $368.904 Billion
33. South Africa: $350.630 Billion
34. Denmark: $330.814 Billion
- Greater Atlanta: $314.579 Billion
35. Malaysia: $312.435 Billion
- Greater Seattle: $309.577 Billion
36. Singapore: $297.941 Billion
- Greater Miami: $297.071 Billion
37. Israel: $291.375 Billion
38. Chile: $277.199 Billion
39. Hong Kong: $274.013 Billion
40. Philippines: $272,017 Billion
41. Egypt: $271.973 Billion
- Greater Detroit: $262.166 Billion
42. Finland: $256.842 Billion
43. Greece: $241.721 Billion
44. Pakistan: $236.625 Billion
45. Kazakhstan: $224.415 Billion
46. Iraq: $222.879 Billion
47. Portugal: $219.962 Billion
48. Ireland: $217.816 Billion
49. Algeria: $210.183 Billion
- Greater Denver: $209.648 Billion
- Greater Phoenix: $209.523 Billion

50. Qatar: $202.450 Billion
51. Peru: $202.296 Billion
52. Czech Republic: $198.450 Billion
- Greater San Diego: $197.886 Billion
53. Romania: $189.638 Billion
- Greater Portland: $189.268 Billion
54. Kuwait: $183.219 Billion
55. New Zealand: $182.594 Billion
56. Ukraine: $177.431 Billion
57. Vietnam: $171.392 Billion
- Greater Cleveland: $170.063 Billion

All combined statistical areas and countries are using 2013 (current) Gross Domestic Product figures. Cities in the United States are underlined, the competing countries are not.
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Below 59th St
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A criteria is met and that's that. It's not a matter of opinion.
Quite. But the idea that CSA is in any way important most certainly is.

My family has been in public infrastructure development since the 70s. The first time I've heard mention of 'CSA' as anything other than an arcane statistical grouping (the going terms are 'Metropolitan Area', or 'Urban Area') is on this forum -- in particular, where certain cities are ranked against one another. Some CSAs are so large, they'd engulf entire European countries.

But, obviously, questioning the importance of CSA is delusion. It's essentiality is self-evident. Axiomatic. And yes, this particular construct does makes one's hometown look more economically powerful than cities one feels are inferior. But that's simply a byproduct. Haters
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Old 09-19-2014, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Below 59th St
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United States population centers versus the countries of the world:
01. United States: $16.8 Trillion
02. China: $9.240 Trillion
I know it's tangential, but how was China's GDP measured? There's a lot of money pumping through the mainland that never sees a ledger...
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