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Old 03-30-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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Phoenix doesn't really compare with Dubai at all and the other two are 2nd/3rd world cities lol.

I'm still trying to understand where Phoenix's place is in the economy as far as industry is concerned. Like I don't get what jobs it has to bring people to the metro in such high numbers.
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Phoenix doesn't really compare with Dubai at all and the other two are 2nd/3rd world cities lol.

I'm still trying to understand where Phoenix's place is in the economy as far as industry is concerned. Like I don't get what jobs it has to bring people to the metro in such high numbers.
Phoenix beats San Francisco, Seattle, Portland in economic dev deals - Phoenix Business Journal
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Old 03-30-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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Yeah right, because according to this list, Riverside (CA), San Bernardino (CA), and Salt Lake City are more economically booming than Seattle.
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Old 03-30-2015, 03:51 PM
 
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That article is based on relocation and expansion deals (which in this case makes AZ similar to TX, cheaper manufacturing and general cost of doing business), but 'Site Selection' magazine lists no actual parameters for what constitutes a relocation or expansion deal. Meaning, we all know where the blue chip companies did their relocating and expansions (at least when it comes to R&D and the like).

One thing I find odd about the article is the math used:

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Metropolitan Phoenix's 78 deals in 2014 were more than San Francisco, Seattle and Portland combined in the Pacific Region.

  1. Phoenix 78
  2. San Francisco 49
  3. Salt Lake City 35
  4. Denver 35
  5. Portland 28
  6. Riverside-San Bernadino-Ontario 23
  7. Las Vegas 18
  8. Seattle 16
  9. Albuquerque 12
78 > 93 ???

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Old 03-30-2015, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Yeah right, because according to this list, Riverside (CA), San Bernardino (CA), and Salt Lake City are more economically booming than Seattle.
Stop hitting yourself.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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I love watching the fear creep over people from cities like Seattle when they realize Phoenix is catching up. Good times.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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I love watching the fear creep over people from cities like Seattle when they realize Phoenix is catching up. Good times.
Oh...I could care less about that, but I find it amusing how some posters question just about anything that shows Phoenix in a positive light.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:51 PM
 
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How dare I discuss a linked article! I'm happy for PHX, but not because of that article
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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How dare I discuss a linked article! I'm happy for PHX, but not because of that article
I wasn't directing my comment towards you.
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Old 03-31-2015, 04:06 PM
 
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Chicago MSA:
2010: 31,607
2011: 30,178
2012: 22,776
2013: 23,230
2014: 9,802

The country's economy has been in solid expansion since late 2012 to the start of 2013, deceleration to Chicago isn't mind-numbing until we get to 2014's numbers. By all accounts the July 1, 2013 - July 1, 2014 time period nationwide was far more optimistic than the previous four intervals before it. Yet Chicago decelerated substantially and that is what the problem is.

It paints a concerning picture when looking at future periods but if you're right and that Chicago is improving compared to previous years, it should show positively next year.
One economic point is that while the population increase dropped to 10,000, almost 80,000 jobs were created last year. It's quite rare I believe for the number of jobs to grow more than the actual population, since normally you only need around one job to support every two people (college students, 25% of the population being too young for a job, retired people, people who are dependents, etc).

It's an odd situation for Chicago looking at the past 50 years, because the city is actually about the only growing economic engine in the entire metro area right now, and normally the suburbs would be greatly outshining in sheer economic growth. Narrowing it down more, the downtown area is essentially booming right now, both in jobs (increase in 65,000 jobs since the economic downturn, an all high time employment now for downtown) and the increase of 60,000 residential units in the downtown area since 2000, with 16,000 of those coming in the past few years. That addition of tens of thousands of residents has really changed the dynamic downtown with more bars, restaurants and retail to serve a full time population and not just a daytime employment base, tourists and people coming from elsewhere in the metro to go out at night.
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