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Old 12-27-2020, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Can we not have another DC vs Boston urbanity argument. It always ends with Boston being more urban at the end of a multipage, multithread argument.
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Old 12-27-2020, 12:37 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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^^^ I don't think that's happening here, maybe the wrong thread.

Boston is top 5 in urbanity in the US. DC is 6th. Then comes the debate after that.
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Old 12-27-2020, 12:40 PM
 
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Boston has over 900k in its inner 57 square miles. . . if that's your sole criterion.
Not my sole reason, It's just Los Angeles is so big that most people wouldn't realize how urban it's city core is unless they actually visit the place instead of judging it by what they show on t.v.

Urban research needs to be performed using urban densities. That can be at the metropolitan area level or even the state level.


It may be surprising that California, which largely defined the suburbanized urban form that developed after World War II has the highest urban population density in the nation. California’s urban areas have an average density of 4300 per square mile.

California has the three most densely populated large urban areas in the country: Los Angeles at approximately 7000 residents per square mile,

San Francisco at approximately 6300 residents per square mile and San Jose with approximately 5800 residents per square mile.

New York (5300 residents per square mile).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gov...ies.html%3fAMP
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Old 12-27-2020, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Not my sole reason, It's just Los Angeles is so big that most people wouldn't realize how urban it's city core is unless they actually visit the place instead of judging it by what they show on t.v.

Urban research needs to be performed using urban densities. That can be at the metropolitan area level or even the state level.


It may be surprising that California, which largely defined the suburbanized urban form that developed after World War II has the highest urban population density in the nation. California’s urban areas have an average density of 4300 per square mile.

California has the three most densely populated large urban areas in the country: Los Angeles at approximately 7000 residents per square mile,

San Francisco at approximately 6300 residents per square mile and San Jose with approximately 5800 residents per square mile.

New York (5300 residents per square mile).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gov...ies.html%3fAMP
No one is discrediting LA's population density (they are that dense in part because of geography limiting their sprawl).


The debate here is about the physical/structural urbanity of the city, not population density.
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Old 12-27-2020, 12:56 PM
 
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No one is discrediting LA's population density (they are that dense in part because of geography limiting their sprawl).


The debate here is about the physical/structural urbanity of the city, not population density.
I agree with that, I was just pointing out that Los Angeles is so big that you won't see it. But if we took Central LA by itself, we're talking about an area of physical urbanization with 873k in under 57 sq miles.If I cut off 10 sq miles of the surrounding mountains,than it'll be higher.

I think we even can argue Seattle as a top 6 urban structure. It's just a great debate that can go either way because D.C and Boston are kinda neck and neck.
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Old 12-27-2020, 02:39 PM
 
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I agree with that, I was just pointing out that Los Angeles is so big that you won't see it. But if we took Central LA by itself, we're talking about an area of physical urbanization with 873k in under 57 sq miles.If I cut off 10 sq miles of the surrounding mountains,than it'll be higher.

I think we even can argue Seattle as a top 6 urban structure. It's just a great debate that can go either way because D.C and Boston are kinda neck and neck.
Seattle's urban structure is certainly more walkable than LA's. Not discounting LA's density but it needs to work on pedestrian activity and its car culture.
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Old 12-27-2020, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I agree with that, I was just pointing out that Los Angeles is so big that you won't see it. But if we took Central LA by itself, we're talking about an area of physical urbanization with 873k in under 57 sq miles.If I cut off 10 sq miles of the surrounding mountains,than it'll be higher.

I think we even can argue Seattle as a top 6 urban structure. It's just a great debate that can go either way because D.C and Boston are kinda neck and neck.
Central LA has 873k in 57sqmiles.
The entirety of Cambridge, Somerville, Boston (58sqmile) have close to 1.5 million (1.15 Million Boston, 210k in Cambridge, 108k in Soerville) people by daytime population.
Im sure DC+Arlington is in that ballpark, ableit, a much bigger space.

I forgot about Seattle though, a lot more urban han it is given credit for:

NYC

CHICAGO SF

PHILLY BOS

SEATTLE DC LA MIAMI

ATLANTA BALTIMORE
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Old 12-27-2020, 02:52 PM
 
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Central LA has 873k in 57sqmiles.
The entirety of Cambridge, Somerville, Boston (58sqmile) have close to 1.5 million (1.15 Million Boston, 210k in Cambridge, 108k in Soerville) people by daytime population.
Im sure DC+Arlington is in that ballpark, ableit, a much bigger space.

I forgot about Seattle though, a lot more urban han it is given credit for:

NYC

CHICAGO SF

PHILLY BOS

SEATTLE DC LA MIAMI

ATLANTA BALTIMORE
San Francisco isn't above Philly let alone another tier
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Old 12-27-2020, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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San Francisco isn't above Philly let alone another tier
Yes it is.
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Old 12-27-2020, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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No one is discrediting LA's population density (they are that dense in part because of geography limiting their sprawl).


The debate here is about the physical/structural urbanity of the city, not population density.
The original question didn't specifically say structural. It simply said which is more urban.
Urban to me includes convenience to stores, restaurants, markets etc. Public transportation, walkability is all part of an area being urban.
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