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Well if you actually saw what I was responding to you would realize that the poster said California cities as a whole are the most integrated in the country and I was just letting him know that his statement was a broad statement
Sacramento, Oakland, and Long Beach are more diverse than any city on the East Coast not called NYC.
SAC is more dense, a lager metro, and has better public transit. Richmond is way more suburban than Sac. Which is odd considering how old Richmond is.
And Sac very much provides an alternative to the bay area rat race. I know this first hand.
I think this is a hard comparing these two because they are both lower tier cities on opposite ends of the country. Few people have been to both.
On paper Sacramento should be a tier higher, but when you limit it to just the downtown and nearby areas you get very similar situations.
Namely two cities that people would relocate to due to the weather factor, that are both somewhat artsy, and have sizable intercity populations (30-35k range).
I think one of the big differences, at least from my perspective is living in Sac I'd want to visit San Francisco, but living in Richmond I'd probably only go to DC for the museums. As far as the other nature type things nearby I think Sac and Richmond are fairly even. Although that's just a guess.
Sac does have the light rail which I like. Pro sports, which isn't really a pro or con for me.
Richmond could use a street car running from the Museum District to Shockoe Bottom. I also like how Richmond has filled in a lot of surface level parking with garages. Many "better" cities still haven't done this.
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What does that even mean? What do people move from SF to Sacramento for then and what don't they do that transplants to Richmond from DC do? You haven't really explained what the difference is.
I think it means people move from SF to Sacramento for quality of life reasons, but people move from DC to Richmond for additional reasons because each of those cities offers a specific type of interest not necessarily the same between the two.
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Sacramento, Oakland, and Long Beach are more diverse than any city on the East Coast not called NYC.
Oh, I don't know? A few come to mind that have decent diversity such as: Jersey City, Stamford, Hartford, Providence, Boston, and Lowell.
An outpost? Plenty of people move from the whole Bay Area to Sacramento. That's a huge portion of our population (and home price) gain.
The Virginia Capital Trail looks really cool, wasn't showing up on google maps for me so I didn't know it really existed. I was talking more about right along the river in the city. Heck, pull up google maps and turn on the biking overlay and check out the two cities. Pretty obvious which one has better bike infrastructure.
I was talking about 195 not 95. Browns Island does not equal downtown, right?
I'm sure Richmond is charming.
One of the great things about Richmond is that it has almost immediate access to nature from the urban core. Yes, Brown's Island and Belle isle are downtown and adjacent to the downtown district respectively. Belle Isle is connected via bridges and pathways from both sides of the river. Bike paths and trails in Richmond run adjacent to both the canal and the river, and the paved Virginia Capital Trail runs from Richmond's Great Shiplock Park in Shockoe Bottom, continuous to Williamsburg, VA. I was on it today, so tomorrow I'll take a few skyline pics to post. It's beautiful.
Namely two cities that people would relocate to due to the weather factor, that are both somewhat artsy, and have sizable intercity populations (30-35k range).
I prefer Sacramento weather better, much warmer in the winter, no snow, but tons of snow less the 1 hour away in 3,000 to 10,000 foot high mountains. Sacramento summers have perfect humidity, with very very comfortable dew points, heat index temps lower than actual temp, cool nights and mornings.
Richmond summers, very humid, dew points uncomfortable, heat index temps higher than actual temps.
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I think one of the big differences, at least from my perspective is living in Sac I'd want to visit San Francisco, but living in Richmond I'd probably only go to DC for the museums. As far as the other nature type things nearby I think Sac and Richmond are fairly even. Although that's just a guess.
Sac does have the light rail which I like. Pro sports, which isn't really a pro or con for me.
Sacramento's cultural assets, restaurant, coffee, and bar scene has grown a lot in the last 10 years, and we find ourselves going to the Bay Area less and less because Sacramento has so much to offer. But old habits are hard to break and having friends and family in the Bay we still find ourselves going there. Friends gave us free tickets to a concert in Oakland; coming back from the Bay, it took us 1 hour from the El Cerrito Del Norte BART station to downtown Sacramento by car tonight. Going there was just another 5 mins more in 5pm Friday night rush hour traffic.
Having SF nearby is just another cultural asset, which can still be done in 1hr, 15mins with light traffic, or you can take the train.
Yes, Sacramento has light rail and we just increased it to almost 50 miles in 3 different segments. Richmond does not have light rail. Sacramento likely will get a streetcar line in the next 5 years. I like that Sacramento has at least one pro sports team, and likely will gain major league soccer in the next couple of years too.
Richmond has no major league sports.
Sacramento has much more diversity in nature type options than Richmond.
Proximity to Lake Tahoe, the beautiful Sierra Mountain range, Napa/Sonoma Wine Country, SF Bay area, gorgeous and rugged Northern CA coastline, and more comfortable year-round climate gives the edge to Sacramento.
What does that even mean? What do people move from SF to Sacramento for then and what don't they do that transplants to Richmond from DC do? You haven't really explained what the difference is.
Geez, ok......Bay Areans move to Sacramento because you can buy a house for under a million bucks.
DC'ers move to Richmond because it possesses personality, charm, food and art and will not suck the life out of you.
It close to beaches, mountains, horse country wineries, DC, NY, excellent higher education, deep history and the greenness/topography of the landscape is captivating.
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Geez, ok......Bay Areans move to Sacramento because you can buy a house for under a million bucks.
DC'ers move to Richmond because it possesses personality, charm, food and art and will not suck the life out of you.
It close to beaches, mountains, horse country wineries, DC, NY, excellent higher education, deep history and the greenness/topography of the landscape is captivating.
Sacramento has plenty of personality, charm, food and art; a lot more than richmond, va. AND Sacramento is a very diverse and integrated city unlike richmond.
Napa Valley, Sonoma, Amador much better for wine the Va. Lake Tahoe and Sierra, and the Cascades some serious mountains better than than the Appalacians.
Some of the best education in the world in very close to Sacramento. UC Davis(12 miles), UC Berkeley(65miles); Stanford(2hours), Santa Clara University, UCSF....a few more.
Sacramento has plenty of personality, charm, food and art; a lot more than richmond, va. AND Sacramento is a very diverse and integrated city unlike richmond.
Napa Valley, Sonoma, Amador much better for wine the Va. Lake Tahoe and Sierra, and the Cascades some serious mountains better than than the Appalacians.
Some of the best education in the world in very close to Sacramento. UC Davis(12 miles), UC Berkeley(65miles); Stanford(2hours), Santa Clara University, UCSF....a few more.
Actually, I was more concerned about your erroneous remarks about Virginia. I've never been to Sacramento, so I'm not going to comment. I've never stopped in Richmond, so I'm not going to talk about that either.
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