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Why on earth would you compare Ocean Beach to Miami Beach? They are completely different types of beach communities. The median rent in Ocean Beach is $2045 btw.
South Beach is comparable to Ocean Beach - both are younger and trashier neighborhoods. And no, South Beach is more expensive. I know what the rental market is in San Diego and that in Miami Beach.
If you don't believe me, try to find a rental property in South Beach and Ocean Beach and compare. Anywhere else in Miami Beach is more expensive than South Beach when it comes to rentals.
South Beach is comparable to Ocean Beach - both are younger and trashier neighborhoods. And no, South Beach is more expensive. I know what the rental market is in San Diego and that in Miami Beach.
If you don't believe me, try to find a rental property in South Beach and Ocean Beach and compare. Anywhere else in Miami Beach is more expensive than South Beach when it comes to rentals.
I never said Ocean Beach was more expensive but you don't know the rental market in OB, you probably think it's the same as 6 years ago or whatever.
They aren't comparable communities at all and cater to completely different type of people, get real.
I never said Ocean Beach was more expensive but you don't know the rental market in OB, you probably think it's the same as 6 years ago or whatever.
They aren't comparable communities at all and cater to completely different type of people, get real.
I do know very well, I'm still in touch with friends in San Diego who are all over the place [PB, OB, DT, La Jolla, Point Loma) I know how much they pay for rent, if they are renting.
It's frankly cheaper in coastal San Diego compared to coastal Miami.
I guess South Beach could be compared [better] to PB, but it's still more expensive. Only rental neighborhood in San Diego that is more expensive is La Jolla but then La Jolla is an upscale area, bills itself as such.
Look for self, this is the median 1bedroom price of rent around Miami.
Why on earth would you compare Ocean Beach to Miami Beach? They are completely different types of beach communities. The median rent in Ocean Beach is $2045 btw.
Also I've already posted stats that show how much cheaper Miami is than all of coastal CA. Just accept it and move on. Miami is a bargain compared to SF, LA, and SD. Ask anyone who's not delusional like yourself.
Very delusional.
The median home prices proved it along time ago.
Why on earth would you compare Ocean Beach to Miami Beach? They are completely different types of beach communities. The median rent in Ocean Beach is $2045 btw.
Also I've already posted stats that show how much cheaper Miami is than all of coastal CA. Just accept it and move on. Miami is a bargain compared to SF, LA, and SD. Ask anyone who's not delusional like yourself.
Very delusional.
The median home prices proved it along time ago.
Mia metro
Median home price.
227,000.
Pleaser
People in California would love Miami real estate prices.
It's dirt cheap in comparison.
How does it feel to have a newbie premier Aerospace co showcasing new technologies, but in the end choosing FL for launching its rockets? No Vandenberg! Either way it doesn't compare to KSC.
Every state has its pros and cons. Getting lots of mileage on useless statistics about Universities, companies blah, however, when it comes to Space exploration, FL is 100 times more important than CA. So compare that.
And for the millionth time, those places are not "Coastal" they are inland Florida.
You can easily find, to rent, a 2bedroom, in Ocean Beach [San Diego] for 1,400-1,600. For the same proximity from the beach, in South Beach [Miami Beach], you will struggle to find a 1 bedroom for that price. You might be forced to get a studio, whereas a studio in Ocean beach can be found for 800-900$.
If you go farther north into LA and look at Santa Monica or neighborhoods like Venice Beach, you will see comparable rental prices as Miami Beach.
It's only when you get to San Francisco that the rental markets became way divergent.
So to put it simply, if you want to live on the beach:
San Diego and Orange County are cheaper than Miami.
Los Angeles is comparable to Miami, if only a little bit higher.
How do we debate desirability as a whole? Median home prices are a reflection of the strength of the middle class of an area. Not necessarily the desirability. Is San Francisco more desirable than Los Angeles, or is it simply that there are more higher paying jobs, so people who move there [for work] can afford higher prices?
We can look at tourist numbers. In that sense, Miami absolutely crushes LA. Miami gets more [in raw numbers] international tourists than anywhere in the USA but NYC. Which means Miami Beach gets more than LA despite being far smaller.
Or we can look at the spending habits of the elite - the people who are not restrained by practicalities like jobs. And we can assume their preferences are in line with the rest of the population. Shaky I know, but there Miami has a comparable number of high end real estate as LA despite being again much smaller.
Another way we can look at the problem of 'desirable' is just what people can afford in their respective locations. And while home prices in Miami are indeed lower once you move away from the coast, so are the paying jobs. Let's take one niche: tech jobs. An entry level tech job pays 50-60k in Miami for a mobile developer. That same job pays 110-130k in Los Angeles. Even with no state income tax, and higher property values, a person in Tech will afford a lot less in Miami than in LA. He would be better off to move to LA. In fact there was a study done that Miami is absolutely the worst in the USA for income ratio to 'affordable' places to rent or buy. A person living in Miami with an average Miami salary can afford less places in Miami than a person in San Francisco or New York can afford in their respective places with respective salaries!!
Why do jobs pay so little in Miami? Supply and demand. For the amount of technological jobs in Miami, there are way more people than openings, willing to work for smaller wages JUST to live in Miami because Miami is fun. It's so crazy here, they came up with a term for it, it's called the 'sunshine tax.' Wages in tech can be about a 1/3 of what they are in LA because Miami gets so many people moving here wanting to live here just because this city is fun, has great weather, beaches, lifestyle. Then they realize they cannot make ends meet, and they move back...back to NYC, back to LA, and cities like that.
You're last paragraph is just a subjective opinion. Who is leaving LA in search of great weather? Beaches? Lifestyle? Newsflash, those are SoCal's selling points as well.
But if you insist on ignoring the map I posted, I will just post the results here. I ranked the following by price/sq ft. for all coastal sections of each state. I only counted what was within a few blocks from the coast, since that seems to be the only qualifier for coastal, in your eyes. California in RED, Florida in BLUE.
1. Seal Beach: $1,918
2. Laguna Beach: $1,410
3. Bal Harbor: $1,335
4. Corona Del Mar: $1,300
5. Sunset Beach: $1,133
6. Newport Beach: $1,123
7. Key Biscayne: $1,108
8. Manhattan Beach: $1,039
9. Del Mar: $977
10. Pacific Palisades: $914
11. Malibu: $892
12. Santa Monica: $890
13. Miami Beach: $887 (I had to pick the most expensive, yet tiniest piece of land available at the very southern end to get this number)
14. Coral Gables: $831
15. Coronado: $771
16. Marina Del Rey: $745
17. Palm Beach: $724
18. Fisher Island: $685
19. Hermosa Beach: $659
20. Solana Beach: $657
21. La Jolla Shores: $607
22. Dana Point: $572
23. San Clemente: $569
24. Carlsbad: $561
25. North Palm Beach: $552
26. Mission Beach: $544
27. Belmont Shores: $523
28. Sunny Isles Beach: $509
29. Encinitas: $507
30. Redondo Beach: $504
31. Delray Beach: $454
32. Ocean Beach: $450
33. Golden Beach: $433
34. Imperial Beach: $408
35. Point Loma: $396
36. Rancho Palos Verdes: $394
37. Oceanside: $394
38. Huntington Beach: $385
39. Coconut Grove: $356
40. Key Largo: $349
41. Fort Lauderdale: $300
42. Dania Beach: $300
43. South Palm Beach: $288
44. Juno Beach: $282
45. Surfside: $276
46. Ocean Ridge: $254
47. Hillsboro Beach: $238
48. Hollywood Beach: $235
49. Lauderdale by the Sea: $233
50. Highland Beach: $230
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