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Old 09-17-2016, 08:32 PM
 
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Predictions of the Sunbelt's demise, as usual, have no basis in fact and are the dreams of jealous non-Southerners!
I haven't heard anyone say that.
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Old 09-17-2016, 09:27 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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I haven't heard anyone say that.
Oh, you are new here. Just wait...
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:30 PM
 
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NYC is having a massive dropoff in units permitted this year, because a tax policy expired on Midnight last Dec. 31st. Basically they're going from 50,000 city units permitted last year to 15,000 city permitted this year (and basically 0 permits for rentals, since the tax law primarily affects rentals; luxury condos are mostly unaffected).

They're still mindlessly bickering over the particulars of the law, so developers are holding off on permitting new housing until the law gets passed. So basically there will be a burst at some undetermined future date, as the backlog gets filled. Suburban permits, of course, are unaffected.
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Old 12-23-2016, 04:43 PM
 
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Default Census Bureau (2015 Annual): New Privately Owned Housing Units Authorized, Unadjusted Units by Metropolitan Area

Census Bureau released 2015's building permit survey.

Census Bureau (2015 Annual): New Privately Owned Housing Units Authorized, Unadjusted Units by Metropolitan Area

001. Greater New York MSA: 86,424
002. Greater Dallas/Fort Worth MSA: 57,146
003. Greater Houston MSA: 56,901
004. Greater Los Angeles MSA: 34,034
005. Greater Atlanta MSA: 30,342
006. Greater Seattle MSA: 25,008
007. Greater Miami/Fort Lauderdale MSA: 23,450
008. Greater Washington D.C. MSA: 23,007
009. Greater Phoenix MSA: 22,402
010. Greater Austin MSA: 22,370
011. Greater Orlando MSA: 20,474
012. Greater Charlotte MSA: 19,543
013. Greater Denver MSA: 18,326
014. Greater Nashville MSA: 18,291
015. Greater Chicago MSA: 15,813
016. Greater Tampa MSA: 15,653
017. Greater Boston MSA: 15,036
018. Greater Portland MSA: 13,967
019. Greater San Francisco/Oakland MSA: 13,386
020. Greater Philadelphia MSA: 12,317
021. Greater Raleigh MSA: 11,987
022. Greater Minneapolis/Saint Paul MSA: 11,673
023. Greater Las Vegas MSA: 10,605
024. Greater Riverside/San Bernardino MSA: 9,926
025. Greater San Diego MSA: 9,883
026. Greater Jacksonville MSA: 9,671
027. Greater Kansas City MSA: 8,954
028. Greater Indianapolis MSA: 8,735
029. Greater Baltimore MSA: 8,264
030. Greater San Antonio MSA: 7,824
031. Greater Saint Louis MSA: 7,698
032. Greater Columbus, OH MSA: 7,555
033. Greater Detroit MSA: 7,304
034. Greater Sarasota/North Port, FL MSA: 7,141
035. Greater Cape Coral/Fort Myers MSA: 6,879
036. Greater Salt Lake City MSA: 6,755
037. Greater Virginia Beach/Norfolk MSA: 6,722
038. Greater Charleston, S.C. MSA: 6,590
039. Greater Sacramento MSA: 6,184
040. Greater Myrtle Beach, SC-NC MSA: 6,154
041. Greater Oklahoma City MSA: 6,004
042. Greater Greenville, SC MSA: 5,896
043. Greater San Jose MSA: 5,788
044. Greater Des Moines MSA: 5,707
045. Greater Boise MSA: 5,499
046. Greater Pittsburgh MSA: 5,264
047. Greater Richmond MSA: 4,875
048. Greater Cincinnati MSA: 4,661
049. Greater Columbia, S.C. MSA: 4,642
050. Greater Provo, UT MSA: 4,549
051. Greater El Paso MSA: 4,491
052. Greater Durham MSA: 4,411
053. Greater McAllen, TX MSA: 4,306
054. Greater Omaha MSA: 4,157
055. Greater Naples, FL MSA: 4,060
056. Greater Louisville MSA: 3,979
057. Greater Memphis MSA: 3,951
058. Greater Honolulu MSA: 3,833
059. Greater Fayetteville, AR-MO MSA: 3,793
060. Greater Tulsa MSA: 3,774
061. Greater Birmingham MSA: 3,733
062. Greater Grand Rapids MSA: 3,672
063. Greater Colorado Springs MSA: 3,665
064. Greater Albany MSA: 3,623
065. Greater Baton Rouge MSA: 3,569
066. Greater Madison, WI MSA: 3,498
067. Greater Greeley, CO MSA: 3,186
068. Greater Ogden, UT MSA: 3,120
069. Greater Knoxville MSA: 3,060
070. Greater Lakeland, FL MSA: 3,039
071. Greater Salisbury, MD-DE MSA: 3,031
072. Greater Milwaukee MSA: 3,001
073. Greater Cleveland MSA: 2,938
074. Greater Reno MSA: 2,787
075. Greater Spokane MSA: 2,738
076. Greater Little Rock MSA: 2,699
077. Greater Rochester MSA: 2,652
078. Greater Pensacola, FL MSA: 2,634
079. Greater Huntsville, AL MSA: 2,607
080. Greater New Orleans MSA: 2,495
081. Greater Lafayette, LA MSA: 2,483
082. Greater Fort Collins, CO MSA: 2,434
083. Greater Stockton, CA MSA: 2,431
084. Greater Tucson MSA: 2,428
085. Greater Savannah MSA: 2,407
086. Greater Wilmington, N.C. MSA: 2,358
087. Greater Fresno MSA: 2,322
088. Greater Albuquerque MSA: 2,295
089. Greater Springfield, MO MSA: 2,223
090. Greater Greensboro/High Point MSA: 2,212
091. Greater Lexington, KY MSA: 2,206
092. Greater Bakersfield MSA: 2,200
093. Greater Asheville, N.C. MSA: 2,161
094. Greater Corpus Christi, TX MSA: 2,153
095. Greater Chattanooga MSA: 2,093
096. Greater Deltona/Daytona, FL MSA: 2,047
097. Greater Winston-Salem, N.C. MSA: 2,044
098. Greater Wichita, KS MSA: 2,021
099. Greater Portland, ME MSA: 1,980
100. Greater Sioux Falls, S.D. MSA: 1,926
101. Greater Providence MSA: 1,818
102. Greater College Station/Bryan, TX MSA: 1,712
103. Greater Buffalo MSA: 1,677
104. Greater Harrisburg MSA: 1,615
105. Greater Hartford MSA: 1,582
106. Greater Worcester, MA MSA: 1,385
107. Greater Allentown, PA-NJ MSA: 1,356
108. Greater Boulder MSA: 1,249
109. Greater Bellingham, WA MSA: 1,144
110. Greater Beaumont, TX MSA: 1,132
111. Greater Dover, DE MSA: 1,061
112. Greater Midland, TX MSA: 1,030
113. Greater Dayton, OH MSA: 980
114. Greater Mobile, AL MSA: 907


https://www.census.gov/construction/...t/tb3u2015.txt
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Old 12-23-2016, 11:22 PM
 
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I don't really get NYC's numbers...is there something indicating the metro area is about to have a large boom because based on state population growth numbers for CT, NJ, and NY, nothing suggests that is going to happen. Dallas metro grew by 145,000 and it's permitting 55k+ units annually so NYC would have to be expecting a 200,000 year growth and for that to happen, not only would immigration need to ramp up(which based on the new numbers we got, the reverse is happening) and domestic migration would need to stablized to a net 0 growth instead of the -100,000 net growth it's seeing. Seems like a huge overbuild. It's wierd though. NYC numbers this year are much more reasonable.
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Old 12-24-2016, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I don't really get NYC's numbers...is there something indicating the metro area is about to have a large boom because based on state population growth numbers for CT, NJ, and NY, nothing suggests that is going to happen.
Around 60k of those units are within NYC city proper. The NYC metro area outside the city only build ~27k units, which is consistent with fairly stagnant population growth.

NYC city proper is adding people, but it is offset by upstate losing people, so total NYS population growth numbers are low/negative.
Also, expect the 2016 construction numbers for NYC to be lower, since 421a tax breaks for condos were not renewed by DeBlasio and further building restrictions enacted.
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Old 12-24-2016, 12:45 AM
 
Location: TPA
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I don't really get NYC's numbers...is there something indicating the metro area is about to have a large boom because based on state population growth numbers for CT, NJ, and NY, nothing suggests that is going to happen. Dallas metro grew by 145,000 and it's permitting 55k+ units annually so NYC would have to be expecting a 200,000 year growth and for that to happen, not only would immigration need to ramp up(which based on the new numbers we got, the reverse is happening) and domestic migration would need to stablized to a net 0 growth instead of the -100,000 net growth it's seeing. Seems like a huge overbuild. It's wierd though. NYC numbers this year are much more reasonable.
New York State is losing people, but New York City and metro is not. NYC is growing its fastest since the 1990s and 1920s.
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Old 12-24-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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Just out of interest are there figures for any of these by any chance?

- annual housing completions

- number of units under construction

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Old 12-24-2016, 08:57 AM
 
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New York State is losing people, but New York City and metro is not. NYC is growing its fastest since the 1990s and 1920s.
Rochester looks pretty healthy (2x as many Units as Stagnant Buffalo), must be the Southern Tier and Central NY.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:50 AM
 
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Rochester looks pretty healthy (2x as many Units as Stagnant Buffalo), must be the Southern Tier and Central NY.
But Buffalo has a substantial shortage of new homes, as this NAR study outlines:
Identified: Top 10 Markets in Desperate Need of Single-family Starts

Between Buffalo has increased 9,767 jobs with only 2,089 new houses between 2013 and 2015. Rochester increased by 6,883 jobs with 3,693 new houses. Buffalo has a shortage of over 4,000 new homes, while rochester only falls short 636. Poor Syracuse only gained 2,483 jobs with 1,977 new houses; they have too many houses.
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