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How is Baltimore supposed to catch up when it has fewer people and slower growth than DC, Philly, NY, and Boston?
The issue with vibrancy that people forget is the formula for maximum sustained vibrancy has three parts.
1. Tourists
2. High Employment Density
3. High Population Density
If an area is missing any one of those three factors, it will not be as vibrant as an area with all three. That is why row house neighborhoods will never be as vibrant 24/7 as mixed use downtown highrise neighborhoods.
The issue with vibrancy that people forget is the formula for maximum sustained vibrancy has three parts.
1. Tourists
2. High Employment Density
3. High Population Density
If an area is missing any one of those three factors, it will not be as vibrant as an area with all three. That is why row house neighborhoods will never be as vibrant 24/7 as mixed use downtown highrise neighborhoods.
Explain Fed Hill and Fells Point, and how they're vibrant, yet Rowhouse neighborhoods. You're saying what can't be done while those Rowhouse neighborhoods are doing it.
Aren't some of DC's most vibrant and popular neighborhoods full of rowhomes? Idk the specific areas well enough to comment.
But would you also call Graduate Hospital, Washington Square West, Passyunk, Society Hill and Queen Village in Philly boring? The Village is rowhomes. Almost all of Brooklyn. Lakeview in Chicago. The Mission and The Castro.
All those neighborhoods have rowhomes, but are very pedestrian friendly and full of walkers, runner, cyclists, and public transit. And they have major shopping/dining/nightlife corridors through each one. Really only places like the majority of Manhattan, Near North Side, Center City, and similar areas are completely full of retail on the bottom, residential above. It exists on the shopping corridors, but back just a block, it's very common to find rowhomes.
Aren't some of DC's most vibrant and popular neighborhoods full of rowhomes? Idk the specific areas well enough to comment.
But would you also call Graduate Hospital, Washington Square West, Passyunk, Society Hill and Queen Village in Philly boring? The Village is rowhomes. Almost all of Brooklyn. Lakeview in Chicago. The Mission and The Castro.
All those neighborhoods have rowhomes, but are very pedestrian friendly and full of walkers, runner, cyclists, and public transit. And they have major shopping/dining/nightlife corridors through each one. Really only places like the majority of Manhattan, Near North Side, Center City, and similar areas are completely full of retail on the bottom, residential above. It exists on the shopping corridors, but back just a block, it's very common to find rowhomes.
Anyone can think anyplace is boring, depending on what they like/prefer. However, they can't say that a neighborhood is not vibrant because they prefer non-rowhouse buildings. Passyunk Square in Philly is about 50kppsm (albeit small in size), but surrounded by neighborhoods of at least 30kppsm. It is dense and vibrant. No debate.
I think Baltimore has some really great vibrant rowhouse neighborhoods (e.g. Fells Point, Federal Hill, Canton). They may/may not be as vibrant as the ones in Philly I'm talking about, but it all depends on how packed in they are. Regardless, rowhouse neighborhoods can absolutely carry 30kppsm+ with ease.
The issue with vibrancy that people forget is the formula for maximum sustained vibrancy has three parts.
1. Tourists
2. High Employment Density
3. High Population Density
If an area is missing any one of those three factors, it will not be as vibrant as an area with all three. That is why row house neighborhoods will never be as vibrant 24/7 as mixed use downtown highrise neighborhoods.
It all depends on the numbers across those three. While I agree that having strong numbers in all three will give you stronger vibrancy, it all depends on how may tourists or jobs there are. Two could exist in stronger numbers and make for a very vibrant environment.
Aren't some of DC's most vibrant and popular neighborhoods full of rowhomes? Idk the specific areas well enough to comment.
But would you also call Graduate Hospital, Washington Square West, Passyunk, Society Hill and Queen Village in Philly boring? The Village is rowhomes. Almost all of Brooklyn. Lakeview in Chicago. The Mission and The Castro.
All those neighborhoods have rowhomes, but are very pedestrian friendly and full of walkers, runner, cyclists, and public transit. And they have major shopping/dining/nightlife corridors through each one. Really only places like the majority of Manhattan, Near North Side, Center City, and similar areas are completely full of retail on the bottom, residential above. It exists on the shopping corridors, but back just a block, it's very common to find rowhomes.
No, the neighborhoods you speak of are only vibrant during the evening like most residential only row house neighborhoods all over the nation. They are pretty quiet during the workday. The only places with all day vibrancy are places with a lot of jobs, residents, and tourists. For DC, that will be Capital Riverfront, NOMA, Union Market, Mt. Vernon Triangle, Penn Quarter, The Wharf, SW Eco District, Waterfront Station, Buzzard Point, and Northwest One at full build out. You need all three (office, residential, tourist) for a vibrant thriving neighborhood all day long.
Residential only neighborhoods are vibrant during the evenings and weekends. Office heavy neighborhoods are vibrant during the day. Mixed use neighborhoods with cultural attractions are vibrant during the day, evening, nights, and weekends.
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