Metropolises of North America: Chicago, San Francisco, Toronto, and Washington D.C. (living, cost)

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by odurandina

This post is so disingenuous. For God's sakes man.

Try; the Bay Area is close to.... The Pacific Ocean (win).

Toronto is closer to more cities via the poles. Nothing complex here.

Toronto is often, as near as makes no difference, GREENLAND.

Nothing complex here. Toronto doesn't have Stinson Beach, Mavs or

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Well, that's an advantage for Toronto in terms of having more non-US/Canada routes so that's pretty fantastic as an advantage. It's obviously a landslide for direct flights to different destinations for Toronto in comprison to the Bay Area. How do Chicago and DC compare? Does anyone want to tabulate out all the direct flight non-US/Canada routes for each city for comprison?

[That_One_Guy]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

So it looks like saying Toronto's subway closes (just) after last call would be accurate. That's pretty good.

But it's not like you can stay at a bar and then take the subway home after. You'd have to already have been on the subway before. Toronto already has a pretty early last call to begin with, but this means you'd have to leave a pretty good amount of time before last call just to catch the subway home.

It's not just Toronto that has this issue. SF does too. Actually I think most cities have this issue. I only know of a few that do not have this issue. I think this is a huge flaw in city design and I know buses exist, but I hate buses, and I'm sure most people would just rather take the subway. It makes everything so much easier. They can hold much more people and being separate from traffic and pedestrians is a huge plus. Also, waiting in a lit subway station late at night beats waiting at a dark street corner.

Obviously NYC's go 24/7
I know Chicago keeps some lines open 24 hours but not all.
I know Philly has 24 hour subways on weekends, but I think only weekends. But that's great for nightlife.
And I think DC's subway stays open later after last call too (but not 24 hours)

[trainrover]

Oh, Rotton-0, Rotton-0, Rotton-0 .. just how is making rot out of nothing even possible?

All these crusty skidmarks soiling these pages from all of your corresponding, delerious cheekiness .. well .. crack me up right proper.

I dare any non-Canadian to tolerate watching any youtube-posted footage (bad drivers, bus, cyclists, etc.) of neighbourhoods around the northwest shore of Lake Ontario, asking yourself just how long any possible beauty encountered by the filmers there will be memorable for you .. .. :shudder:

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by That_One_Guy

But it's not like you can stay at a bar and then take the subway home after. You'd have to already have been on the subway before. Toronto already has a pretty early last call to begin with, but this means you'd have to leave a pretty good amount of time before last call just to catch the subway home.

It's not just Toronto that has this issue. SF does too. Actually I think most cities have this issue. I only know of a few that do not have this issue. I think this is a huge flaw in city design and I know buses exist, but I hate buses, and I'm sure most people would just rather take the subway. It makes everything so much easier. They can hold much more people and being separate from traffic and pedestrians is a huge plus. Also, waiting in a lit subway station late at night beats waiting at a dark street corner.

Obviously NYC's go 24/7
I know Chicago keeps some lines open 24 hours but not all.
I know Philly has 24 hour subways on weekends, but I think only weekends. But that's great for nightlife.
And I think DC's subway stays open later after last call too (but not 24 hours)

True, but I'm saying the statement is technically correct and it stays open later than both you and I thought it did.

Chicago's obviously stays open the latest and has a later last call and has the best nightlife of the four. Toronto comes afterwards. After that come the Bay Area and DC. DC's metro closes as early as BART does and DC's nightlife is even sleepier than SF's.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

So just to reiterate, many of Toronto's foreign flag carriers appear to be merely shuttles that help older Canadians flee their frigid, tundralike winters(brrr) to warmer Caribbean climes, and that's perfectly understandable.


YYR-Toronto Pearson International:35 Foreign Flag Carriers
Aer Lingus: Dublin
Aeroméxico:Mexico City
Air France:Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Alitalia:Rome–Fiumicino
Austrian Airlines: Vienna
Avianca Costa Rica: San José de Costa Rica, San Salvador
Azores Airlines: Lisbon, Ponta Delgada, Porto, Terceira
British Airways: London–Heathrow
Brussels Airlines: Brussels
Caribbean Airlines: Kingston–Norman Manley, Port of Spain
Cathay Pacific: Hong Kong
China Eastern Airlines: Shanghai–Pudong
China Southern Airlines:Guangzhou
Condor Seasonal: Frankfurt
Copa Airlines:Panama City
EgyptAir:Cairo
El Al: Tel Aviv–Ben Gurion
Emirates: Dubai–International
Ethiopian Airlines: Addis Ababa
Etihad Airways: Abu Dhabi
EVA Air: Taipei-Taoyuan
Fly Jamaica Airways:Georgetown–Cheddi Jagan, Kingston–Norman Manley
Hainan Airlines: Beijing–Capital
Icelandair: Reykjavík–Keflavík
Jet Airways: Amsterdam, Delhi
KLM:Amsterdam
Korean Air: Seoul–Incheon
LOT Polish Airlines:Warsaw–Chopin
Lufthansa:Frankfurt, Munich
Pakistan International Airlines: Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore
Philippine Airlines:Manila
Saudia:Jeddah, Riyadh
TUI Airlines Netherlands:* Amsterdam
Turkish Airlines:Istanbul–Atatürk
WOW Air: Reykjavík–Keflavík
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toro...tional_Airport

YTZ-Billy Bishop Toronto: 0 Carriers
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Bishop_Airport

SFO-San Francisco International: 37 Foreign Flag Carriers
Aer Lingus: Dublin
Aeroméxico:Guadalajara, Mexico City
Air Berlin:Berlin–Tegel, Düsseldorf
Air China:Beijing–Capital
Air France:Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Air India: Delhi
Air New Zealand: Auckland
All Nippon Airways: Tokyo–Narita
Asiana Airlines:Seoul–Incheon
Avianca El Salvador: San Salvador
British Airways: London–Heathrow
Cathay Pacific: Hong Kong
China Airlines: Taipei–Taoyuan
China Eastern Airlines: Kunming, Qingdao, Shanghai–Pudong
China Southern Airlines: Guangzhou, Wuhan
Copa Airlines: Panama City
Emirates: Dubai–International
Etihad Airways: Abu Dhabi
EVA Air: Taipei–Taoyuan
Fiji Airways:Nadi
Finnair: Helsinki
Japan Airlines: Tokyo–Haneda
KLM: Amsterdam
Korean Air: Seoul–Incheon
Lufthansa: Frankfurt, Munich
Philippine Airlines: Manila
Qantas: Sydney
Scandinavian Airlines: Copenhagen
Singapore Airlines: Hong Kong, Seoul–Incheon, Singapore
Swiss International Air Lines: Zürich
Thomas Cook Airlines: Manchester (UK)
Turkish Airlines:Istanbul–Atatürk
Virgin Atlantic: London–Heathrow, Manchester (UK)
Volaris:Mexico City, Guadalajara
WOW Air: Reykjavík–Keflavík
XL Airways: Paris–Charles de Gaulle
https//en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_International_Airport

SJC San Jose International: 6 Foreign Flag Carriers
Air China: Shanghai-Pudong
All Nippon Airways: Tokyo-Narita
British Airways: London-Heathrow
Hainan Airlines: Beijing-Capital
Lufthansa: Frankfurt
Volaris: Guadalajara
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_...tional_Airport

OAK-Oakland International: 3 Foreign Flag Carriers
Azores Air: Lisbon, Terceira
Norwegian Airlines: Barcelona, Copenhagen, London-Gatwick, Oslo-Gardermoen, Stockholm-Arlanda
Volaris: Guadalajara, Leon/ El Bajio, Mexico City, Morelia, Tijuana
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakl...tional_Airport

As I said earlier, The world's carriers seem to want a stronger presence in The Bay Area than Toronto. All 3 Bay Area airporys offer long haul international flights offered by foreign flag carriers, British Airways and Lufthansa are at both SFO and SJC.

It's even more intriguing when we look at this:

Foreign Flag Nonstop Service to the World's Top 10 Alpha Cities.

Alpha++ Cities
London
New York( didnt include NYC in my research cause thats obvious)

Alpha + Cities
Hong Kong
Paris
Singapore
Shanghai
Tokyo
Beijing
Sydney
Dubai

Toronto Golden Horseshoe: 7/10
London: British Airways
Hong Kong: Cathay Pacific
Paris: Air France
Singapore: None
Shanghai: China Eastern Airlines
Tokyo: None
Beijing: Hainan Airlines
Sydney: None
Dubai: Emirates

San Francisco Bay: 10/10
London: British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian Airlines
Hong Kong: Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines
Paris: Air France, XL Airways
Singapore: Singapore Airlines
Shanghai: Air China, China Eastern Airlines
Tokyo: All Nippon Airways, Japan Airlines
Beijing: Air China, Hainan Airlines
Sydney: Qantas
Dubai: Emirates

I know how much u guys ❤ Alpha cities lol

[mrjun18]

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

According to this study Toronto actually has the second highest population of super rich in North America, after NYC:



Toronto Has 2nd-Largest Super-Rich Population In North America: Survey

But I think you guys are just going in circles now.

Cool.

[killakoolaide]

Originally Posted by That_One_Guy

Obviously NYC's go 24/7
I know Chicago keeps some lines open 24 hours but not all.
I know Philly has 24 hour subways on weekends, but I think only weekends. But that's great for nightlife.
And I think DC's subway stays open later after last call too (but not 24 hours)

SEPTA's trolley's to west/SW philly run 24/7, and PATCO to Jersey also runs 24/7. During the week if you live in north or south Philly, then your SOL, except on the weekends when all city rail is 24 hours. I might be wrong, but I think only NYC, Philly, and Chicago have a level of 24 hour rail service.

[18Montclair]

Yeah I just shot an email over to the Pearson airport to tell them their website, first of all looks very tacky and dated, but also, that it is not good to post deceitful information such as logos for airlines that dont really go there. It confused a few Torontonians earlier today.

Always happy to help.

[mrjun18]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

It's even more intriguing when we look at this:

Foreign Flag Nonstop Service to the World's Top 10 Alpha Cities.

Alpha++ Cities
London
New York( didnt include NYC in my research cause thats obvious)

Alpha + Cities
Hong Kong
Paris
Singapore
Shanghai
Tokyo
Beijing
Sydney
Dubai

Toronto Golden Horseshoe: 7/10
London: British Airways
Hong Kong: Cathay Pacific
Paris: Air France
Singapore: None
Shanghai: China Eastern Airlines
Tokyo: None
Beijing: Hainan Airlines
Sydney: None
Dubai: Emirates

San Francisco Bay: 10/10
London: British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, Norwegian Airlines
Hong Kong: Cathay Pacific, Singapore Airlines
Paris: Air France, XL Airways
Singapore: Singapore Airlines
Shanghai: Air China, China Eastern Airlines
Tokyo: All Nippon Airways, Japan Airlines
Beijing: Air China, Hainan Airlines
Sydney: Qantas
Dubai: Emirates

I know how much u guys ❤ Alpha cities lol

No sources again? C'mon, you know this already. Tokyo (a metro of 30+ million and not Toronto direct flights? Oh really?) So I just checked the Person site quickly and immediately saw that Tokyo was a direct flight from Toronto Persons list of its 105 international direct destination..
https://www.torontopearson.com/en/fl...Destinations/#

Immediately after seeing that, I immediately stopped reading the rest of your "list" (no links/sources = desperation? Possibly...). I guess when I see no links/sources from now on, I will know the deal.


Direct flights to 45 international cities on 4 continents.
vs.
Direct flights to 105 international cities on 6 continents.
(Links to prove this were posted in one of my recent posts. I can post them for you again? Let me know!)

$1,000 USD for a 1 bedroom apartment (or mortgage) in downtown or midtown in Toronto along a heavy or light rail line.
vs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDJYxz55aRw
(By the way, that's not even in SF. I wonder how much it would cost to rent a garage in SF?)


This is why expats can only "dream" (lol) of living in SF? You can post that info-graphic again, where SF is a "dream" destination where can only people "wish" they could live there (but most can't because it's overpriced). Where can I find a link to that info-graphic? It goes well with the YouTube video above.





45......105

[mrjun18]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Sorry I meant to post this as an update in order to add the wiki links.



So Toronto's international flights are mainly from Air Canada and other Canadian carriers, which is fine, but the majority of Bay Area international flights are by foreign flag carriers who desire a presence in this region.

FYI.

100 more airlines can fly in and out of SF. They will all still be flying to the same 45 places though. No Rome. No Brussels. No Cairo. Etc.

45.

The same 45 cities on the same 4 continents. Too bad the Oakland and Sj airports can't help fly to more continents. Bay Area's 3 airports will fly to 105 international cities ooutside of Canada/U.S?

Originally Posted by Mr. Burns

It has nothing to do with desiring a presence and everything to do with no other options for SFO to reach these destinations. It already only reaches just 45 intl destinations.

105
45

Two extra airports to help SFO, yet they can't crack the 3-digit mark.

45. lol.