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In the opinion of those who have been there or have some knowledge of the city, where would San Juan, PR rank on this list?
I would rank it above all the rest except NYC, Boston, and San Francisco.
The biggest hit against it is that it's long, and Condado is just a bunch of hotels (amenities in the hotels) however Old Town has a good urban fabric and since it's basically Latin America flying an American flag, you have a healthy mix of amenities on every street corner.
I have a feeling you guys are only considering the walkability of the CBD and adjacent areas without considering the city as a whole. Miami is far more walkable as a whole, and I feel South Beach (in the Miami area) is more walkable than Seattle's most urban neighborhoods.
I think that's more on the technical side of things than I generally argue. Seattle covers a much larger physical area within the boundaries of the city, so there's definitely that.
Some of Miami's most walkable parts are outside of Miami proper and I include them, but the corollary to that is taking into consideration Seattle having much larger municipal boundaries. Taken all that into account is why I feel they're pretty comparable. It's also why I think LA is in that higher tier despite its massive municipal boundaries that include less walkable areas or why Chicago and Philadelphia compare very favorably to San Francisco, Boston, and DC.
Miami can have a distinct advantage with the opening of MiamiCentral and with Tri-Rail going downtown as it'll drive a lot of downtown development and fulfill much of the promise that the greater downtown area has. However, there's little else on the construction docket after that whereas Seattle has a lot more on the agenda currently in place. I think what will happen is that Miami might slightly pull ahead in the few years after MiamiCentral as that crucial piece of both infrastructure and development gets put into place, but then Seattle will pull ahead unless there is a massive tech bust. Miami does have the low-hanging fruit of trying to make the more northern portions of Tri-Rail or similar into becoming rapid-transit like stop and drive development, but none of that has a clear pathway towards funding even as those areas continue to densify. Meanwhile, it seems unlikely that the Miami area will have figured out a way to do a good transit connection from downtown to South Beach completed within the next decade.
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It's possibly because much of Miami doesn't have sidewalks.
Is this a joke ??? How does a city with a high WalkScore not have sidewalks? Please provide proof.
Have you ever been to Miami?
The only places without sidewalks are usually those suburban enclaves (usually gated) built by developers.
Is this a joke ??? How does a city with a high WalkScore not have sidewalks? Please provide proof.
Have you ever been to Miami?
The only places without sidewalks are usually those suburban enclaves (usually gated) built by developers.
Miami does have sidewalks all over, but a separate argument is if they are included in walkscores from that site. They aren not. So he can be both wrong in the actual argument about if sidewalks exist and still be right in how he's trying to argue it because it is completely possible for a place to have no sidewalks, but a high walkscore. It's just in the methodology.
Miami has sidewalks, but do you really thing Walkscore knows that?
Walkscore is a function of map plus business directory. Nothing more.
Right, it factors in a lot of things that are important for how walkable a place is, but its algorithms aren't currently taking into account a lot of other factors. It'll improve in time, but it's not there yet. It also doesn't highlight how contiguous the blobs of walkability are nor does it try to adjust for physical city limits which, when you're on a walking scale, matters a lot.
Anyhow, the tier below Chicago, SF, Philadelphia, Boston, DC, and LA are basically in my view:
Seattle
Baltimore
Portland
Miami
San Diego
Denver
Twin Cities
New Orleans has very walkable parts but they're very small, and more importantly, small in numbers and area. A lot of older Rust Belt cities have something close but the past half century have been pretty rough on them (St. Louis, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Kansas City) . The newer sunbelt cities haven't yet infilled enough to compete (Houston, DFW, Atlanta, Phoenix). Some western cities were halfway, but haven't developed into the same tier due to size or other factors (Sacramento, Honolulu, Salt Lake City).
His statement isn't true, but these aren't all middle class neighborhoods overall, and you know it.
They range from lower middle class to upper middle class, and sure Venice, South Park, and Westwood have their one-percenters, but they're all walkable and have a decent proportion of middle class types.
I would rank it above all the rest except NYC, Boston, and San Francisco.
The biggest hit against it is that it's long, and Condado is just a bunch of hotels (amenities in the hotels) however Old Town has a good urban fabric and since it's basically Latin America flying an American flag, you have a healthy mix of amenities on every street corner.
Good to know. I'm hoping to visit soon to see for myself!
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